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1.Plea HN: Any work?
234 points by throwaway911 on Dec 4, 2010 | 48 comments
2.It All Changes When the Founder Drives a Porsche (learntoduck.com)
182 points by bensummers on Dec 4, 2010 | 96 comments
3.Sick Linux Commands (urfix.com)
161 points by julian37 on Dec 4, 2010 | 43 comments
4.Paypal alternatives (webdistortion.com)
161 points by _b8r0 on Dec 4, 2010 | 65 comments
5.Steve Jobs: The Next Insanely Great Thing (wired.com)
158 points by sayemm on Dec 4, 2010 | 102 comments
6.EFF: Online Speech is Only as Strong as the Weakest Intermediary (eff.org)
151 points by fcurella on Dec 4, 2010 | 25 comments
7.The first serious infowar is now engaged (eff.org)
144 points by organicgrant on Dec 4, 2010 | 57 comments
8.I'm a YC Winter 2011 startup looking for a(nother) technical co-founder
on Dec 4, 2010
9."Google asserts copyright, even on work I do in my own time." (Snap framework) (github.com/snapframework)
128 points by tianyicui on Dec 4, 2010 | 158 comments
10.How to Slice a Bagel into Two Linked Halves (georgehart.com)
124 points by abeppu on Dec 4, 2010 | 19 comments
11.Autofocus System - Get Everything Done (markforster.net)
111 points by kqr2 on Dec 4, 2010 | 19 comments
12.PayPal Suspends WikiLeaks Account (nytimes.com)
99 points by malte on Dec 4, 2010 | 73 comments
13.Speed-Freak Football (nytimes.com)
92 points by mhb on Dec 4, 2010 | 28 comments
14.Cables Discuss Vast Hacking by a China That Fears the Web (nytimes.com)
92 points by quan on Dec 4, 2010 | 39 comments
15.Sources: Groupon rejects Google’s offer; will stay independent (chicagobreakingbusiness.com)
90 points by zone411 on Dec 4, 2010 | 118 comments
16.Steambirds: How handcrafted levels prevent game design iteration (lostgarden.com)
81 points by dirtyaura on Dec 4, 2010 | 25 comments
17.Go compiler now committed to gcc mainline (to be gcc 4.6) (groups.google.com)
81 points by adulau on Dec 4, 2010 | 32 comments
18.Invest In The Mess (avc.com)
76 points by cwan on Dec 4, 2010 | 9 comments
19.Turning Kids from India's Slums into Autodidacts (wsj.com)
70 points by grellas on Dec 4, 2010 | 18 comments
20.Starting (sahillavingia.com)
72 points by sahillavingia on Dec 4, 2010 | 11 comments
21.Ask HN: What non-financial ways can I/we help Wikileaks?
71 points by fooandbarify on Dec 4, 2010 | 47 comments
22.How To Make Money On the Internet (fastcompany.com)
70 points by sasvari on Dec 4, 2010 | 15 comments

So, under California law, which is probably the most liberal in the United States coving IP, you are prescribed from competing with your employer even on your own time or on your own equipment. This is reinforced in industry employment agreements, including Google's (my employer)

Most employers take the position that everything you do in the space is logically competitive. Recognizing that, we, Google, make it very easy to get permission to open source things, but under Google copyright.

We have a process for releasing under your own copyright, but it is not as flexible. That said, we've cleared about 200 (75% of those requested) projects in the last year for copyright release.

It's easy to get knee-jerk about this and get upset, but recognizing the nature of IP in a company and acting on it is infinitely better than pretending the problem doesn't exist and then, in the future, retroactively claiming copyright when convenient. The latter leads to lawsuits and unfair restraints on creativity and competition.

This system works. We've released 10s of millions of lines of code into thousands of open source projects. It protects the employees and it protects Google and the price is a bit of complexity and the odd thread like this.

Also, thanks to this system, Googlers can work on Google equipment and during their 20% on these kinds of projects, which is clearly useful and recognizes that people who work on open source almost universally do so without regard to the machinery or network they use.

24.Bees in Brooklyn Hives Mysteriously Turn Red (nytimes.com)
69 points by phreeza on Dec 4, 2010 | 23 comments
25.A Silicon Bubble Shows Signs Of Reinflating (nytimes.com)
67 points by asnyder on Dec 4, 2010 | 29 comments
26.Here Comes The Wetware (techcrunch.com)
64 points by davidedicillo on Dec 4, 2010 | 26 comments

idiots...2 years from now, when all the businesses know what a bad value proposition Groupon is, they'll look back and kick themselves for not taking the offer
28.Angry Birds On Android Projected To Generate $1 Million Per Month In Advertising (techcrunch.com)
62 points by elblanco on Dec 4, 2010 | 18 comments
29.Erlang and OTP in Action (manning.com)
61 points by signa11 on Dec 4, 2010 | 29 comments

Don't you think that this system is at least a little bit unfair? Why does Google automatically get claim on work that has no relation to Google, done without compensation from Google, and without any of Google's equipment or facilities? How come these people need Google permission to assert a claim on their own intellectual property that is entirely distinct from anything involving Google? It sounds like this was established simply so that Google can claim things that they have no real right to claim and misappropriate an employee's work as convenient.

How come you can't just say "All work on Google-owned software is copyright Google. All work directly assigned by Google management is copyright Google. All work performed wholly independently and separate from Google by Google employees is copyright its respective owners."? I don't get it.


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