You mean the companies we regularly fail every aspect of engineering?
dsr_ summed up pretty well how Amazon and a bunch of companies think abut DevOps. Coincidentally these companies produce the highest grade of software, tools, services etc.
>> Most of their admins say they are not programmers, so it's not their job.
What you are describing is the 90s approach to IT. These companies disappear really fast. IT is changing just like agriculture was changing long time ago. Toffler talks about this in The Third Wave.
Old approach: lets do everything by hand
New approach: automate most of the things you can
>> In an unjust world, you end up with three silos. Programmers say their code compiles on their machine, admins say they have installed the new server, devops frantically try to build some pipeline that deploys that code on that server.
I migrated countless companies from 90s approach to CI/CD world, they never looked back. You just think that because there are late adopters this world is going to exist indefinitely. I do not think so.
I was not talking about IT companies that produce h/w or s/w goods and services. I was talking about companies that produce other kinds of goods and services and insource or outsource IT services that support their value chain. They don't necessarily feel the same pressure to improve. I agree they are late adopters, but late adopters aren't stragglers. There will still be enough of them in 10 years time.
You mean the companies we regularly fail every aspect of engineering?
dsr_ summed up pretty well how Amazon and a bunch of companies think abut DevOps. Coincidentally these companies produce the highest grade of software, tools, services etc.
>> Most of their admins say they are not programmers, so it's not their job.
What you are describing is the 90s approach to IT. These companies disappear really fast. IT is changing just like agriculture was changing long time ago. Toffler talks about this in The Third Wave.
Old approach: lets do everything by hand New approach: automate most of the things you can
>> In an unjust world, you end up with three silos. Programmers say their code compiles on their machine, admins say they have installed the new server, devops frantically try to build some pipeline that deploys that code on that server.
I migrated countless companies from 90s approach to CI/CD world, they never looked back. You just think that because there are late adopters this world is going to exist indefinitely. I do not think so.