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Does OpenStreetMap comply with US executive order naming?


The President of the United Stated doesn’t actually have the authority to tell anyone besides the executive branch what to name geographic places. So the order only forces official US government maps created by USGS and the like to be updated. Other maps can choose to update if they want to.

Open Street Map tends to reserve the “name” tag for what things are commonly called by the local community. It appears that for the Lake Ontario and The Gulf of Mexico they’ve added an “official_name:US” tag to capture the names in the executive orders.


Even though he can't tell others to follow them, they often choose to do so anyway. E.g. Google Maps displays the Gulf of America.


It doesn't for me (although it does include it in parentheses after the real name), so I'm going to hope this is only an 'only in the US' change.



Here in the UK it still says Ontario.

Interesting that he changed the name to that of the entire continent, so Mexicans and Venezuelans can feel part of it.


Close. But it's not (re)named Lake Americas. Remember, there are two continents, North America and South America. It's not one continent; however, jointly they can be called The Americas.


Refering to the whole as America is a thing. Perhaps not in America (whatever that means).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas


Sure, and referring to the whole of the UK as England is also a thing. It’s confusing but people are people. Or as they say in some parts of “England” it’s queer as folk.


If you follow the link there are dictionary entries. It's not stupidity, it's completely reasonable. Amerigo Vespucci didn't name the USA, he named the entire continent.

"Britain" is widely used to refer to the UK, but Great Britain is the physical land mass which excludes Northern Ireland, so there is rarely confusion.


Did they adopt the petty naming spat over Lake Ontario^WAmerica?


Not yet, but I assume they will. They said they only ever show the official names designated by the country in question. Probably because a lot of countries disagree on borders as well as names and get really upset with people who get it wrong.


Apple Maps does as well. It's sad that they're kowtowing to Trump in such a ridiculous way.


It's up to the renderer what to display. OSM tags data according to global consensus, they use Gulf of Mexico for 'name'. There is an attribute for 'official_name:en-US' that returns Gulf of America. Same approach for other disputed names/places.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:official_name:en-US

"Few if any renderers consume official_name=* or any of its subkeys; in practice, the purpose of this key is for geocoders to find the feature when a user searches for the official name."


Well, when you visit it https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=7/23.765/-87.100 there's no naming of that area at all. At least when looked at from a US IP. And when you search "Gulf of America" it returns "Gulf of Mexico". So take from that what you will.


Also https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=8/43.622/-78.852 shows "Lake Ontario". But it does carry the tag "official_name:en-US": "Lake America", so search will find Lake America and a mapping app could decide to show the official name

Though generally official names are the names nobody uses. For example the country labeled "France" also has the attribute "official_name:en": "French Republic"


Fiat never works for linguistic shifts. That order is about as likely to work as telling a kid to stop saying "six seven."


I'm in favor of legislation to stop the '67' craze


One of its purposes is to annoy serious adults. If legislation is created, I would estimate it would extend its life somewhere between 3 weeks and infinity.


Just tell them they've lost the game.

If they ask what the rules of the game are, they've just lost again.

They didn't invent being deliberately obtuse.


Damn it, now I've lost the game


Heck, if we really want to kill them with confusion, ask them the way to Mornington Crescent!


It's community driven, so I highly doubt the public will change it.

Now, I'd love for each geographical region to take their very worst area, and rename it after a certain politician for the lulz.


Hopefully not. Whatever changes Mr Trump demands will likely be temporary, regardless.


good to know both parties apparently feel that “petty renaming of things” is a good use of time for the government. So we’ll just start every change in party control with a raft of renames to thumb our noses at “The Former Guy.” Productive.


So the clever ones should just leave the damage the stupid one did and just wait for their term to run out so the stupid ones can cause more damage, the clever ones can ignore and repeat?

Doesn't seem to be very clever to me.


"Stupid" = got way more votes than Harris

Your team is the one who chose to run Harris. Was that clever? Current front runners for 2028 include AOC. Sure to be another banner year for these clever 'Democratic Socialists.'


It's not "my" team. I come from a civilised country.

The fact you didn't even touch the topic but went full MAGA instead, shines a proper light at your original comment now. You just wanted to play the 'ol both sides derailment.

What I didn't understand though was what point you tried to make with "more votes". Yes, a country may have more stupid people vote then non-stupid. It happens all the time. So what?


In the USA, the left is currently obsessed with touting their intellectual superiority over their political opponents. It doesn't occur to them that whether they're smarter or not, they don't deserve to rule because they do not have the support of the people -- that's the very mathematical basis of any democratic country. You know what I call "A minority of highly-educated self-righteous elites get to pass all the laws to govern those stupid rural dummies"? An aristocracy.

Both parties let their crackpots take the wheel, with very different results. The cravelnly corrupt buffoonery of Trump is the right-wing result. On the left, their idiots has rendered the party incapable of being taken seriously by grownups -- to an even greater extent than Trump's Republicans. That's the point.

> went full MAGA instead

? I don't support either of the two idiotic "tribes" in our present system, MAGA vs. Woke.


> It doesn't occur to them that whether they're smarter or not, they don't deserve to rule because they do not have the support of the people

How doesn't it occur to them when they accepted it as a fact? For the second time. Unlike the stupid which up to today tell the story of the "stolen election".

> It doesn't occur to them that whether they're smarter or not, they don't deserve to rule because they do not have the support of the people -- that's the very mathematical basis of any democratic country.

I'm happy that you admit that most of those voters are in fact stupid. I still don't understand though why you would like to be ruled by the kings of stupid. I mean, you've become a joke on this planet. Every leader of stupid creates chaos and harm for everybody besides them (for now). So what are you proud of here exactly?

> You know what I call "A minority of highly-educated self-righteous elites get to pass all the laws to govern those stupid rural dummies"? An aristocracy.

Well, yeah, of course you'd call that because you don't know what the word means but how would you call what Trump does? I mean he literally employs his family...like...you know...in classic aristocratic systems. What do you call this?

> On the left, their idiots has rendered the party incapable of being taken seriously by grownups -- to an even greater extent than Trump's Republicans. That's the point.

So above you just talked down those grown-ups in favour of the stupid. Now grown-ups are the level a ruler needs to reach. So which is it?

You should leave the continent for some time and live somewhere else. You would recognise the damage the stupid have caused to the reputation of the whole country. You'd have to go very far back in history to find a Government so ridiculous as the current one.

I'd say Caligula would be a good candidate. Ludwig II of Bavaria for Trumps first term, where he didn't cause SO much damage.


It’s interesting how the “preserve traditional historical names - don’t change the names on things for political reasons” role flipped to the left when that particular person started renaming things. In this case especially - a body of water that is between two countries has no “correct” namesake. It merely has a “traditional” name justified by “that’s just always what we’ve called it.” Tradition suddenly became very important to the American left wing when that rename happened.


Your report matches my experience as well!

Funny how it's basically do all the things you're supposed to do - exercise, diet, stress management - then sleep is then easier.


How do you re-enable that feature?


Thanks for transparency here. Claude code if fun to use again! The thinking is huge when working with Claude as planner.


Any sites that give nice barebones explanation of the results? I imagine filling more of the blanks myself instead of AI is part of the exercise, but a nice starting point can help.


The canonical western text is Richard Wilhelm's german interpretation, translated to english by Cary Baynes. This site has the hexagram descriptions from that translation: https://www.iching.online/wilhelm.php

I recommend buying the book though. It is fascinating whether or not you buy into it.


Carl Jung's Synchronicity text, published at the end of his life, uses I Ching as one testing ground..


Dang a Jung forward. Will have to pick it up! Thanks.


Maybe a scheduled get togethers of a retirement home group with a that student org either at the home or the university could work. That way it's easier to have a person trained to chaperone, a more controlled environment, and reduced general overhead for planning.


Ollama's implementation for gpt-oss is poor.


Failing for me too.


Initially, security. Then maybe a realization that you don't need all of your wealth to be secure.


> maybe a realization that you don't need all of your wealth to be secure

Then why wouldn't I just stop working? Why bother working at all if I'm guaranteed to be subsidized by other people?


To give your life a purpose? To do something meaningful and fulfilling? To build something cool? To be able to afford additional, cooler things? To work on a common mission with likeminded people? To contribute something back to the system? To experience how things work in the background? To have a sense of ownership over your productive output?

And if you wanna express yourself creatively or just do nothing for a while, that's fine by me too! I'm sure you'd get bored after a while and want to make yourself useful again, so I don't think you should starve in the meantime.


I'm sure people who, idk, have to clean up office toilets, do it because it's meaningful and fulfilling.


But most people clean their own toilets in their house.


That's our point. The limit of this is no serious social collaboration. You can't have cities, you can't have industry, everyone lives in small tribal villages until they get run over by other industrious people.


Oh yeah I forgot that's why I deal with insane corporate administrative bullshit to write bad software that solves problems only generated because of the scale of the internal social interactions: because it gives my life meaning.

You have hobbies and personal relationships to give your life meaning, you pay to be allowed to do that not the other way around.


> You have hobbies and personal relationships to give your life meaning, you pay to be allowed to do that not the other way around.

And why don't you want to turn that around?


How does it provide security if you're giving it away? Why do you need it if not working for it means you're more likely to get it for free?


Thanks for posting this! I haven't used ChatGPT much due to worries of something like this possibly existing.

Curious if this make you less or more likely to use OpenAI products in the future?


I don't care that much.

This level of knowledge about me can also be easily found on the internet.

I'm also working almost entirely on open-source software so I'm happy if the AIs know more about my projects.

But this, of course, only applies to me.


Fair enough. The majority of it does seem useful.

From what it logged about you, it does seem you're working on some cool stuff too!


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