Just one shot in Claude if you have it or deepseek flash for free.

I don't know, my vibe coder friends always talk about wanting a visual programming language so they can understand the systems they make.

So I feel like your last sentence doesn't really track - yes they are like you , just telling specifications to the machine, but they can struggle for hours trying to get those specific instructions right because they can't understand what their systems are doing.

I think most of us know why they're doing it. We are just very pleased with it regardless.

1. I get great products for nearly free 2. Anthropic/openai/etc will hopefully be destroyed since they stole everyone's work and are trying to capitalize on pure theft.

Win-win. The why of it is not really that relevant.

>We are just very pleased with it regardless

You don't trust the multi-billion dollar behemoth, but you trust the militarized multi-trillion dollar behemoth to play 'robin hood'?

i can't get my brain around the mental loops here.

If you don't think Anthropic and OpenAI are multi-trillion dollar militarized behemoths you need to catch up on some news.

Both are planning $trillion+ IPOs this year. OpenAI is collaborating with the Department of War, and Anthropic is under intense pressure to do the same and their top model is being held hostage right now. This week, the Department of War wrote a statement that xAI should not be held accountable for environmental laws because Grok is a vital weapon system of the US and was used to fire over 2000 missiles at Iran. The pentagon's statement mentions there are 3-4 such models so you may be able to guess which they are.

> You don't trust the multi-billion dollar behemoth, but you trust the militarized multi-trillion dollar behemoth to play 'robin hood'?

Nobody's trusting anyone, we're just enjoying the benefits of true competition much like the working middle class gained benefits between the ideological competition of the Cold War.

I don't get it? I use the open weights deepseek on opencode Go hosted in the us/etc.

What are the mental loops here?

I would genuinely like to know if I'm missing something.

You found these fun? As I can't imagine finding them fun. Can I ask, how long did you play? How often would you see yourself returning to this site?

I still have Quantum Forge open in a tab. I think that probably says more about me than the game though?

I have some friends like this, always churning out low effort slop and trying to market it, for it to always fail and them getting depressed and trying again a month later.

I don't get it. It's like they're always excited that they found the magic infinite money glitch in the system.

I'm aware of the fact, that you can only collect money for giving value.

Value the customer parts with money for, and you have competition.

Lol.

It's just default Claude design.

Flash is amazing if you know the domain really well.

E.g. occasionally it makes the dumbest mistakes you've ever seen and can't correct them. However it's fairly rare, and if you know the domain really well, occasionally popping in the code and pushing it towards the correct solution takes like 20seconds or whatever.

So the speed you can move with flash + high domain knowledge beats opus by a mile in my experience.

I tried to switch back to 4.8 for a bit when it came out, feels so bad waiting 20mins for a mediocre solution when I could have had everything complete - with multiple iteration cycles - in flash in like 3-5mins.

Yes, you don't need much domain knowledge to use Opus, but it's just way too expensive.

For losers who can't put together a program to save their life, have no real skills and were always not really interested in programming (hence their poor skills), renting a robot buddy to do it for them is a good deal, until the buddy cuts in materially into their salary, and until their bosses realize that they really just have robot operators on staff instead of people who can actually do things.

It's nice when I want to be lazy though.

Or when I'm working two contract gigs. I can spec things out for one and turn it loose and trust it. Then work more closely with deepseek on the other project.

I exclusively use deepseek v4 flash now, completely stopped using slow models like Claude.

Basically I never have to wait - yes I have to tell it little corrections occasionally (but I know the domain really well so that's not an issue), but it's so much faster than anything else it's kinda crazy. I love the super fast speeds with high involvement development cycle.

I actually enjoy using agentic development flows for the first time now - whereas with Claude I absolutely hated it. That 5 to 20 min wait after every prompt absolutely killed my desire to even want to work at all.

"It's built so that if something looks wrong, you can change it yourself without spending hours reading tutorials and watching coding videos"

Does anyone do this? Every none coder I know just has llms build everything for them - can't imagine why they'd be looking up coding tutorials for a homepage.

Sometimes we build things for the way it should be, rather than the way it is.