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Gavin Newsom the governor who signed the original OS level age-verification law?

Congratulations. It's not too late for the other pressured countries to reject it too.

> “At a time when some are pushing for greater federalism and the transfer of sovereignty to the European Commission, this vote reminds us that another Europe is possible, an Europe of free, sovereign nations cooperating voluntarily on matters of common interest,” she wrote.


A few people mention EU. Let me remind you:

> European Commission Revives Push for Encryption Backdoors in ProtectEU Strategy, Framing Mass Surveillance as “Lawful Access”

https://reclaimthenet.org/eu-protecteu-strategy-encryption-b...


(2025)

How much of this has been approved by the parliament?

> For one, the EU regulation does not impose any independent audit to ensure that the ADDW systems installed actually operate on a closed-loop basis. Meaning both the car manufacturers and the tech companies selling them these systems could theoretically circumvent the rules and stealthily collect data on drivers.

> Secondly, the EU offers little clarity over how the data is handled. We don’t know how much footage the system captures once a “distraction” decision has been made, nor how long that data is stored or when it gets deleted, if it ever does.

> The implications are obvious. The continuous surveillance of the inside of a car can net car companies (or any third party that’s capable of hacking into it) a treasure trove of data that’s too valuable to pass on. Put simply, driver behavior can be turned into precious consumer data to be used internally or sold to the highest bidder.


Do not use any software from the UK, the enemy of privacy and security.


The EU is quickly becoming the surveillance capital of the world.


Didn't Russia ban and block all messenging apps that aren't the backdoored government-approved Max messenger?

EU has a while to go to become the surveillance capital I think.


Do you... not understand what the ADAS system does and how it works?

You have a camera aimed at your face when typing this nonsense post.


That camera isn’t on all the time scanning your face. God knows what sort of sketchy implementations car companies will come up with.


It's funny how assumptions betray us.

Not everyone is on their phone, or a laptop.

On a site for tech enthusiasts, there are a shocking amount of folks with very "tech is what you get at the Apple Store" mindsets about.


> Not everyone is on their phone, or a laptop.

Nor does everyone leave front-facing cameras (or any device camera) uncovered.


On a site of tech enthusiasts I'd expect an intelligence level of understanding the difference between an embedded ADAS camera and a surveillance system. So how about you check you assumptions first? :)


Any system used to surveil is a surveillance system, QED.

There's no minimum fidelity required, you could use potentially any sensor to surveil. It's a question of use.


For not letting people snooze off behind the wheel?


It's so incredible the difference in mindset across the Atlantic.

In the US, it is MY job and no one else's to make sure I don't fall asleep driving my own car. In the same way it's my job to make sure I don't leave my stove on and burn down the apartment building. Should we also install cameras on every stove in every apartment?

If the US government tried to force-install cameras into our cars to watch us, there'd be a revolution.


The US passed a law in 2021 to require new cars to monitor driver alertness. The implementing regulations are being finished and it could apply to new cars as soon as 2027.


can you point to this law please? I can find news articles referencing that something may or may not happen but I can't find that this actually went into practice


The law in question is the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act which was enacted in 2021 [1].

Section 24209 requires regulators to research driver monitoring systems to deal with driver distraction, disengagement, automation complacency, and misuse of driver automation systems, and then to either start the rule making to implement such monitoring or report to Congress explaining why it cannot be done.

Section 24220 might also be relevant. That section is dealing with drunk and impaired driving, and part of that will be monitoring driver performance.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684...


I'm fairly sure you have cops, driving licenses, traffic stops, DUI etc. So no. It's not your job alone to "drive safely", you are literally controlling tons of mass moving at high speeds that can trivially (and very frequently) kill innocent bystanders that did NOT ask to be hit by a car, or get into an accident. Why is your "freedom" above their basic safety?

If anything, the incredible thing is this "me-only" mindset that many have.


Death by a thousand cuts. It never stops at just one thing.


Car: You look tired. There's a motel in 3 miles.

Car: You appear to be suffering from acne. Try Zit-away, available at the convenience store in 2.4 kilometers.

Car: Facial recognition failed. Car is now disabled. Contact your car dealer to reenable vehicle.


Car: You are politically active for the wrong party. Doors locked. Battery will now catch fire.


The last one sounds eerily similar to what a for-profit company would do in case of a terminated subscription, that would be perfectly fine in the US, but would get purged by fire in the EU by proper laws that meant to protect the public.

I guess it's just hard to imagine that the government may work FOR the people?


That third one sounds like it would be fun trying to explain to your boss.


Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason. No, they even mandate fastening the seatbelts! Oh my, this tyranny!


if I'm that tired I don't think a beep mixed with road noise and radio would wake me up anyway


There are plenty of cars with similar features already. If anything, they make you aware that you are tired, so that you may choose to have a rest at the next stop or something.


Perfect is the enemy of good. If it prevents some people from falling a sleep and causing an accident that's excellent.


> The European Parliament already pushed back that proposal. The EU is made of a lot of different actors with their own agenda.

It doesn't matter how the European parliament voted.

https://www.politico.eu/article/president-vs-parliament-robe...


It does matter, the parliament vote is precisely what pushed the council/EPP to do their most recent push in such a disgusting, undemocratic way. The parliament still has a say, but elected are likely to already be on vacation (which is another dumb thing, but what the bad actors here are actively taking advantage of)


> Narrow majority to allow the urgent motion to reinstate #ChatControl 1.0 mass scans. 331 in favor. 304 against. 11 abstentions. A dark day for privacy and democracy. On Thursday, there will be a vote on the substance of the law. Only an absolute majority can stop it. https://fightchatcontrol.eu

See how your politicians voted: https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/195338


Totalitarians are showing up everywhere.


Full post:

> Shocking: Next week, while many MEPs have left for vacation, #ChatControl 1.0 mass scanning is to be sneaked through via a 3rd vote! Info: https://heise.de/-11349760 Stop the coup & warn your MEPs NOW: https://fightchatcontrol.eu/#contact-tool


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