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As a Chinese person I can confirm. Monero is the way.


Also BCH + CashFusion for extra privacy


Stablecoins frequently get frozen by Tether and Circle for arbitrary reasons, as if an AI system is flagging


DAI exists and is not able to be frozen, but if the merchant's AI system flags a bitcoin transaction do you think you'll be able to cash that out? Just because they can't block it at the protocol level that doesn't mean they'll sign the transaction to send it to you.


TIL DAI cannot be frozen. Perhaps the first stablecoins I might be a little interested in.

The merchant should send the funds (sweep the UTXO) back to you if the funds are flagged. So you should not be out of pocket.


Why not just accept Monero? It acts more like cash. Do you really want to leak every transaction you've ever done, every time you buy something?

Bitcoin is surveillance capitalism dream!


Bitcoin is slow as well, unusable for payments. I still think Bitcoin is better than fiat because at least it doesn't require an ID to make a wallet and it's self custody.

Monero is the best crypto we have for currencies, though. And currency is the only value I see in crypto.


> Bitcoin is slow as well, unusable for payments

Indeed, but fortunately, BTC was forked at the right time


Lightning ain't slow though.


Monero is even cheaper and more useful as cadh because it's private. Anyone can see Bitcoin history and where the user got their coins.


They are both useful. Monero is a bit more tricky to use, there is no concept of Lightning network, you still have to wait around 7 minutes for the transaction to settle. It's not bad, but it is different. The transparency in Bitcoin is a feature not a bug.


CIA uses Bitcoin for intelligence gathering: https://cryptobriefing.com/cia-bitcoin-intelligence-gatherin...

Really? Did we IT people decide giving up privacy for security is a good idea?


It's hardly just them. This tech has been commercialized for over a decade.

https://www.chainalysis.com/blockchain-intelligence/

They also do work to deanonymize other blockchains, including monero.


>including monero

which they still haven't actually broken despite empty marketing claims which in reality is busting people on KYC CEXs.


I've also seen rumors suggesting they have attacked it via network traffic analysis, which also seems plausible

Whether or not they've done it by breaking the protocol itself might be of academic concern but is irrelevant in practical terms.


>but is irrelevant in practical terms

It very much is not. If I use cash to commit a crime but then deposit it into a KYC bank account which is then used as a side channel to get me caught does not mean its the cashes fault.

XMR privacy and anonymity can not protect you from going out of your way to convert it into inferior surveillance currency which then gets you busted.

That's basic logic and should be a obvious technical limitation.


If they've attacked it via netflow analysis, then it doesn't matter to a criminal whether or not it's a problem in the protocol because how is a criminal supposed to use it if not on the internet?

By "practical terms" I mean that a criminal sitting in prison isn't going to care whether the vulnerability that got them there was layer 7 or not. It doesn't fucking matter to them at that point.

Everything on the internet is vulnerable to netflow traffic deanonymization; it is a fundamental limitation with the design of the internet. The only thing that stops these attacks from being more common is the relative difficulty of obtaining the required data.


>Everything on the internet is vulnerable to netflow traffic deanonymization

that is not how they get busted, monero literally has protections against that like ring signature and dandelion. They get busted by leaving xmr monero ecosystem to cash out to surveillance currencies like btc or tether on a KYC CEX.

Again, the anonymity of cash (which isn't that anonymous actually but thats another topic) is useless if you deposit them into a KYC ATM.


There are solutions to this as well e.g. CoinJoin and using Taproot or Musig to hide redeem scripts and probably more

They make it incredibly hard to make sense of gathered intel


The main grifters care for neither.


Lightning payments are not stored onchain and have already been proved more private than monero payments


considering actual criminals do not use lightning but monero it should be obvious that is not the case.


That's more the fact that lightning is a bit of a pain to use. It has a chicken and egg network growth problem, which is doubled on top of the chicken and egg problem of its host crypto


That does not make any sense. btc even lightning still has about 100 times the user and ecosystem. Nobody uses it because it obviously it is not secure.



You really never know with these people


I did my IBEW apprenticeship (mostly) at datacenters, during Snowden's revelations. It was a wild ride, all the "not real" but seen every day at work technological capabilities that didn't technically exist. I was just an electrician.

That was well-over a decade ago. Cannot even imagine how much more control/eavesdropping/automation the current leadership maintains, quasi-"legally" (by statute; we started re-defining wordmeanings centuries ago). I'll "stay in your lane," and thank you Dear Leaders, for freedumb.

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All to say: you're not wrong, but it's Whoever's quest for insatiability that makes them so unpredictable. Our technochomocracy thrives within, colorless.

"Because they can."


Catching a few criminals is not worth taking everyone's privacy by force.


> Catching a few criminals is not worth taking everyone's privacy by force

This drifts into truism with "few," "criminals," "everyone" and "by force" left so vaguely defined.


I wonder if this is because the chips are meaningfully better or if there's an ulterior motive



It absolutely was about Israel. Stop lying.


If you meant Israel you would have said Israel. Instead you said "God's chosen people" which was a (presumably sarcastic, and certainly flamebaity) reference to Jews.

Principled criticism of Israel is fine. There have been a great many such posts on HN. Religious and/or ethnic flamebait is not fine. This is not a difficult distinction, and anyone who is posting in good faith should have no difficulty making it.

Your comment broke the site guidelines in other ways as well.


Yet you leave blatantly Islamophobic comments in another thread untouched.

Nice work.


We moderate anti-Islamic flamewar posts exactly as we do other religious flamewar posts. I dug up a few examples for you below. There are others, but this should be more than enough to persuade any fair-minded reader:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40747009 (June 2024)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40746973 (June 2024)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38623290 (Dec 2023)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27534558 (June 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25319171 (Dec 2020)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18080981 (Sept 2018)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14116279 (April 2017)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13647198 (Feb 2017)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13286221 (Dec 2016)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11669863 (May 2016)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11518006 (April 2016)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11340026 (March 2016)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10897270 (Jan 2016)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10590568 (Nov 2015)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10564079 (Nov 2015)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9992931 (Aug 2015)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8008392 (July 2014)

As you can see, these go back over a decade and in fact for as long as I've been doing this job.

The mistake in your comment is the assumption that we see everything that gets posted to HN. We don't come close—there is far too much for that to be possible. I'd be surprised if mods see even 10% of what gets posted to HN.

Since we can't moderate what we don't see, we rely on users to bring egregious posts to our attention. If you'd like to be helpful in the future, you'd be welcome to send us links so we can take a look.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...


Your antisemitism is showing. The comment doesn't mention Israel whatsoever.


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>I make fun of all races, religions, and ethnicities equally.

No you don't.


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