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Was this an drive-by/auto-install attack?

I think a lot of people run their posts through an LLM after writing it and edit it accordingly, resulting in an output somewhere between human-made and AI-generated.

Yeah this is my problem. I can come up with ideas, but in writing my ideas never come out well. AI has helped me to express my ideas better. People who write well or are successful at writing sometimes fail to understand how uncommon is it to actually be good at writing. Shit is hard.

LLMs can come sometimes up with novel or non-obvious insights...or just regurgitate google-like results.

Letting an LLM write for you is like paying somebody to work out for you.

The problem with writing is the feedback tends to be inconsistent. With going to the gym you can track your progress quantitatively such as how fast or far you can run or weight lifted, but it's sometimes hard to know if you're improving at writing.


real fact and it is an interesting point.

People say this every year

Economists have predicted 15 out of the last 5 recessions after all.

So much for all that alarmism a month ago. Just got to be patient and wait for cooler heads to prevail. Or it goes to show how Anthropic handled it well, by making their case as persuasively and assertively without delay as they had done.

This is entirely procedural. This preliminary injunction does not take effect for a week (eg: the order does not take effect for another week and the ban stays in place in the interim), which is done precisely to give the DoD the time to appeal to a higher court, whereupon this preliminary injunction order will very likely be reversed/blocked until the lower court has time to rule on the merits.

It’s not really unexpected.


I completely disagree with the idea that a court not allowing the Secretary of Defense to bankrupt a company for disagreeing with him means it's wrong to be alarmed that he tried. It remains extraordinarily alarming that the guy who runs the US military thinks anyone who tries to stop him from doing what he'd like is a threat.

I think the verdict has been in for years now that there is nothing that Americans will mobilize against if it’s only the principles of freedom and liberty on the line. I think it will take being poked with a rather large stick to see some movement. Crippling the economy might be that stick. Unfortunately we all get to suffer their idiocracy.

As I've told people in the past, what you have to understand is that the First Amendment gives Americans wide latitude to mobilize in ways which don't code as mobilization. There's a nationwide protest scheduled for Saturday based on the premise that Trump is a tyrant and we the people won't let him do what he wants. But it's legal and common for people to say that; indeed, it's even legal to say (and I do say) that Trump should be overthrown. So what would be "mobilization" in a lot of places is just another weekend.

You don’t think the horses are not already out of the barn and long gone?

I don't understand what the analogy means in this context. Do I think that it's illegal or impossible to oppose the US government? No, I do so routinely.

I’m saying the remedy is so slow and late that I wouldn’t call it a remedy. If this is how the system works, it’s a bad one.

That’s the least concerning thing about Hegseth. The “warrior of God” rhetoric and the fact that he publicly wants to start word war 3 in the name of Jesus should be way more prominent in the public conversation.

This case means nothing since the administration can simply say well we’re gonna treat them that way, even if they aren’t officially labeled and if you’re doing business with them, we’re gonna cancel your contract. Mob tactics don’t extend to the courtroom..

It’s all a big PR campaign. They will reveal shortly that they used Claude as their legal team.

I like prediction markets because they offer much more diverse markets compared to stocks/options and sports betting, which are far more limited. The downsides are limited liquidity and fraud, but this is endemic to other markets too.

I am confused why this goes to a tribute page to a musician when everyone is talking about a software developer?

Originally I posted a link to a gab article that extensively discussed the software developer side of John as well as the musician side, but it has been decided to replace it with a link that only mentions the musician side.

Most people are more than one person.

So far only two linkable reports of his death have been found. The other is on a Twitter-like site that is so full of anti-semite, white nationalist, and similar content and has so little of anything else that it makes Twitter look like a far left hang out.

Bradley wrote xv a long time ago and appears to be better known for his later work, including his music. Here's how he described himself on Soundcloud [1]:

> Guitar player, music producer, graphic designer, and "that guy who wrote XV" a very long time ago.

Moderators replaced that link with one to voxday.com, where it was posted by someone who was a bandmate and friend of Bradley.

Looking at that site it also seems rather out there, but it isn't a social media site. It is the site of Theodore Beale, a rather controversial writer and former video game developer [2].

The crucial difference is at the original site, being a Twitter-like social media site, if you scroll down you get a bunch of other posts they are promoting.

At the current link, the page is just about John Bradley. There are links to other things on the site but they at most suggest that the site is probably quite a bit outside the mainstream.

Compare to the original site. After scrolling past the posting about Bradley and 3 comments on that posting you get to section showing recent postings from the paid version of the site that they have chosen to promote, presumably to convince you to upgrade to the paid option.

Here's what it gave me.

• Someone saying they drive 5 miles to get gas from a white owned station instead of the one down the street from them, because an Indian is behind the counter.

• One about how the US was founded 100% by white Europeans and was 80-90% white for 200 years, and it is the flood of third world trash that is tearing down America. (In the replies to this one we learn that the real problem is the Jews who are the ones enabling this).

• Someone who says his radicalizing moment was when a non-citizen ahead of him in line at urgent without insurance was treated for free. (He would have been treated for free too if he did not have insurance, BTW).

• Someone saying any shortages of a variety of things are being fabricated. The comments of course mention that it is the Jews and the "bitches" that are doing the fabrication. Also blacks (whose presence in white countries is facilitated by Jews). Also, there is no such thing as a fossil fuel--oil is abiotic and continuously replenished but this info is being buried.

• A picture of Charlie Kirk and a quote by him. Nothing wrong with this one. The comments on it however...Jews were the ones that killed Kirk, Kirk was actually a Mossad agent, Kirk is not dead, several hinting at dark thing about his wife (and one wondering how he could have married her since she is a Catholic).

• Another one that doesn't seem bad until you get to the comments. It says that we are not trillion in debt, we are trillions in fraud. The comments let is know that this is what happens when Jews take over your country. Also blames Democrats because they can't count on the base (blacks, illegals, gays) so they have to steal. There is one that says 30% of the debt is attributable to Trump and then in 5 years Trump added more to the debt than Obama in 8 but it is near the bottom when sorted by likes so does not appear to be a popular sentiment there.

• A picture of a sticker which it says is being placed on gas pumps around the country. The sticker shows a man dressed like on Orthodox Jew, with a grin on his face and the stereotypical "Jewish nose" [3] that has been used in anti-Jewish caricatures since the 13th century. He his pointing the side, which if you place the sticker co.rrectly would be pointing toward the price on the gas pump. The text on the sticker says "THE JEWS DID THIS!". Plenty of agreement in the comments, and people noting these stickers should be on a lot more than gas pumps.

• Another one about Jews trying to destroy western civilization. Mentions Jews supported Black Lives Matter and immigrant rights. Some new craziness in the comments, like Trump is a free mason in the synagogue of satan.

I'm only halfway down the page at this point, and it will automatically load more the farther I go so this is just the tip of the iceberg.

It is no wonder that the submission with that URL got user flagged.

[1] https://soundcloud.com/john-bradley-298288478

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_Day

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_nose


I was wondering why HN was linking to Vox Day. The answer "because the alternative is worse" is probably the most justifiable one I can think of.

Thanks for taking the time to distill that. I saw the same there. When I say that Gab is a dumpster fire, I don't mean that some people there have political positions that I don't personally agree with. I mean that it's packed full of utterly vile content. This isn't some hangout for the likes of George Will and conservative intellectuals, saying calm, rational things that violate the "woke agenda" or such.

Almost everything on the sidebar of vox day's site is a dead link too

The current site "voxday" also claims a lot that Trump is "fake" as in, not the real Trump. Odd, I guess that's one of the delusions of the schizophrenic part of the far right?

He was a big Qanon guy at one point too

Peer review is a joke still and exists now to please deans (for hiring and promotion) and enrich publishers. Bad papers get published if it reaffirms the biases of editors, and actually good and original stuff gets rejected. Rather than facilitating the exchange of knowledge, it acts as a barrier, especially when it cannot even be relied on for quality control.

> and actually good and original stuff gets rejected

This isnt a new thing though.

Cantor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_over_Cantor%27s_th... they didnt just reject him, they basically publicly beat him down, and drove him away from math and into depression.

David Bohm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_potential spent years on the outside for having his ideas on this.

Geoffrey Hinton: was considered a quack and an outsider for YEARS because of his ideas on AI... the breakthrough he spawned was done on a shoestring of a budget (read: home pc).

Edit: I forgot John Yudkin: Pure White and Deadly, talking about how bad sugar is for you in 1972...

Rejected by the mainstream academics, and in a brutal way, happens a LOT more than we think.


Katalin Karikó and her work on mRNA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalin_Karik%C3%B3

Her advisor, Suhadolnik, was a gigantic asshole and paid no price whatsoever for it. University of Pennsylvania demoted her and denied her tenure and nobody involved paid any price for that. etc.


Even in more respected journals, peer review is often done by beleaguered grad students who could be still relatively new to the field. They lack the experience to look at things with a critical eye.

Graduate students! Hah! ML researchers can only hope their papers at ICLR/ICML/NeurIPs are reviewed by graduate students!

You had grad students? Ha, we would'a killed for grad students. Our work was reviewed by two trained pigeons and a dead salmon. And we liked it!

For almost the last two centuries, we have grown accustomed to the fact that theory derive practical and useful results. This made academic system flourish including practices such as peer review, etc.

But for the millenniums preceding that, it was the reverse, practice and observation drove theory, and I wonder if we are going back to that and practice and once again dominate how we discover new things as a civilization.


"For almost the last two centuries, we have grown accustomed to [...]including practices such as peer review"

Nitpick: peer review as we know it is only about fifty years old.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=peer+reviewed&...


Status quo changes at the speed of snail.

Or by trillions - the peer review process will no doubt continue, its continued importance maybe in question.

Usually when people die and vacate their seats of power in society.

> and actually good and original stuff gets rejected

This seems to be the key part. Are you sure that's true?

In other news, (a) apparently you can now submit URLs with anchors to HN, previously a perennial problem; (b) this submission anchors to a comment that just says "I will try this. Suggestions welcome" with no further context.

Ironically, (b) was exactly why (a) was disallowed for the longest time. Anchors are usually a mistake by the submitter, since whatever's being anchored to usually has a permalink. Except Github. Hello, Github comments.


> good stuff rejected, are you sure that's true

In the academic circles I frequent, it's not true. Any one journal might reject the good stuff, but it doesn't take more than a few applications to find a journal who recognizes it, and the cost of producing the research is so high that with the current career incentives it'd be ridiculous not to continue submitting. That does mean that journal "quality" matters less than you might think, but I don't think anyone's surprised by that notion either.

Errors the other direction are more common. I'll state that as an easily verified fact, but people like fun stories, so here's an example:

One professor I worked with had me write up a bunch of case studies of some math technique, tried to convince me that it was worth a paper, paid somebody else to typeset my work, and told me to compensate him if I wanted my name on the "paper." I didn't really; it was beneath any real mathematician; but there now exists some journal which has a bastardized, plagiarized version of my work with some other unrelated author tacked on available for the world to see [0], and it's worth calling out that nothing about the "paper" is journal-worthy. It's far too easy to find a home for academic slop, and I saw that in every field I spent any serious amount of time in.

[0] https://www.m-hikari.com/ams/ams-2019/ams-9-12-2019/p/jabbar...


Personally, I'm shocked it went from submission to publication 5 weeks! I didn't think that was possible.

I mean at a top or middle ranked journal. There are tons of predatory journals that will publish anything

Ooops, sorry... I cannot edit the URL in the submission. I should have checked.

You can always send a short polite email to hn@ycombinator.com with corrections you can't make yourself

I did, thanks for the suggestion.

No it's fine, it thoroughly amused a HN nerd like me. I've been keeping track of how HN works for well over a decade, and noticing small changes like this is something that's genuinely gratifying. The mods will no doubt be by to clean up the url shortly.

I'm just relieved you can submit anchored URLs now. I once stayed up for a few hours trying to submit some work I made as a github comment only to be disappointed that it would always redirect to the toplevel issue.


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