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Sorry I forgot but can mods prefix (2025) to the title? Thanks!

This didn't get traction but this is big news, mostly for reasons not mentioned in this article:

1. It's a RISC-V chip, which means freedom from licensing fees. 2. It is built on 28nm nodes, which is a far cry from the 180nm fabrication SCL was capable of till very recently.

Now, 28nm is not the state of the art, but it is not very far either. I'm excited about getting to sub-10nm nodes in not too distant future, which may make this viable for daily desktop and mobile experience. Although I'm hoping to see some more progress on the software-side with RISC-V in that period.


Still plain rva20/rv64gc+Zcsr, but even that is progress.

Previous India chips were missing c extension, and thus not able to run Debian and the like.

I am hopeful they will eventually catch up with rva23, the base the ecosystem has agreed upon for application processors.


Oh very cool! Is the lamp being made in Canada?


Yes, for PCBA and final assembly!


https://colocataires.dev/

Trying to build a small-scale ISP/hosting provider domiciled in Canada. We really want to be able to rent real rack space to enthusiasts who would like to benefit from having stuff in the datacenter but don't want to take on the opportunity cost to get started. It came out of my own desire to have a machine in a DC rack.

This week we've been writing a bunch of "reviews" of self-hostable software since a lot of our friends are curious about this space but don't have a good understanding of how to get started. https://blog.colocataires.dev.


Your VMs are a bit pricier than some other larger services located in other parts of the world - which I understand. I hope you are able to scale to the point where you can lower these prices.

Are there any legal or other reasons I, a resident of Canada, should host my services in Canada rather than in Europe or US?


Thanks for taking a look! You are correct that we are not competing with the cheapest offerings available there are two key things that are different with us compared to some low-cost providers (like Hetzner):

1. Our prices are in CAD and we bill in CAD, not USD. For Canadian residents this saves on exchange-rate uncertainty. Although sometimes people miss the C$ part and compare it with USD pricing - looking to make this more visible.

2. We don't have limits on transfers, but bandwidth. Hetzner, for example gives you limited amount of transfer for your money. They probably want to stop abuse but it limits legitimate users as well, even though it costs them no more money to transfer the extra bits.

(I use and like Hetzner, not trying to throw shade on them, just using as an example).

> Are there any legal or other reasons I, a resident of Canada, should host my services in Canada rather than in Europe or US?

Certain industries in Canada are regulated and need to be hosted locally. However, we are not trying to appeal to that. Instead, we want to focus on physically-local hosting because we believe that the world needs more small-scale ISPs, not centralization into big hyper-scalers. The collateral benefits are incidental: like being able to sue in Canada, and being subject to Canadian digital privacy laws (e.g. the DPA).


Thanks for the detailed answer. The limit on bandwidth is pretty cool, and I agree is the more sensible way of doing things.

Best of luck.


It didn't really come out of academia in that way. It was an innovation borne out of necessity during Covid. I don't think I've seen anybody using a box design for it. If you have a source, I'll be happy to be corrected.

Regardless technology is often named after people who made it popular, especially when original inventors are unknown or too diffuse.


not that much of innovation.

i build one like this back in 2018 during california fires. used it mostly in garage for filtering air when i work on "things". decommissioned it last week.

i guess i am not the only one who came up with this idea prior to covid as this is pretty obvious


They're the ones who did the actual testing/measurements. I had a box fan attached to a single filter (for wildfire smoke) but was unaware of how inefficient it was.


just to follow your logic. lets say I invent car. Corsi and Rosenthal measure it to discover how more efficient it is compared to horse, and from that point it's known as their invention


It's known as their technique (not invention) because it got popularized via of word of mouth. Same as the Fosbury flop or Larsen truss.

If you create some novel car design that gets discussed enough, maybe it will get popularized and get named after you. ie Bangle butt, for the E65 BMW 7 series.


i did think the 4-sided design using the cardboard box as a base was very efficient. one of the contributions here was Corsi and Rosenthal did this in a lab and reported particulate counts, flow rates, and energy usage. So there was some kind of intellectual contribution to broaden adoption by giving it more of an imprimatur of quality

other refinements were using a shroud to prevent back flow


back in 2018, during fires, when air filters were unobtanium, on bayarea subreddits (and probably here) were floating a lot of posts of DIY filter made from box fan + hvac filters. plenty of people also posted particulate count reduction charts.

you don't need a lab to figure out that replacing 1" filter with 4" filter and even better arranging multiple filters in a box will improve flow rates and filtration (especially for box fans that not really designed for static pressure)

corsi&rosental work, imho, is equivalent to lab work reporting that you can move more water through 10" pipe than through 1" pipe.


I can see that argument, but I think what they contributed was that there's something approaching a cost-optimal design. they reported that the 4-sided design with box fan had higher CADR than many if not all commercially available filters though it often used more power and was louder, so the filtration per dollar was very good


p100 masks will have optimal filtration on HEPA level per dollar.


can't argue with that


I think we should wait for Corsi and Rosenthal lab work on this topic


a difference is that those masks were designed and certified at that level, which aides adoption


labs don't certify that mask is more effective per dollar compared to usual air filters.

hence extra research by Corsi and Rosenthal is needed. After they will do the measurements they can be declared as inventors of p100 masks, that will be known as Rosenthal-Corsi masks


The p100 masks are already certified so you can shop based on cost. Filters + fans are not certified so you have to know something more to understand what you are getting


not the point/example i was making. nm


You should tell us your name and publish the result so we can credit you for the work. Would love to call it whatever your name is instead.


i find it shameful to take credit for obvious things that other people probably did before me.

i refused to sign my name on a bunch of patents at work because they were too obvious (they were still granted USPTO)


I think framework made a misstep with this spornsorship deal. I still think they should be supported in their mission and you don't have to regret your purchase.


Point of clarification: we don’t sponsor Omarchy. We did sponsor Rails World, which is put on by the Rails Foundation, because our site is built on Rails. Our full set of sponsorships is here: https://frame.work/blog/framework-sponsorships


You promoted Omarchy repeatedly on Twitter (much moreso than other distros) and DHH repeatedly promoted Framework in kind. You sent DHH a development device for Omarchy. It's worth noting that DHH is also the chair of the board of the Rails Foundation.

So whether it's a sponsorship on your list or not, it's much cozier than I would care to be with someone who holds these views.


Even apart from DHH's controversy, I was really puzzled by Framework's online hype-manning of Omarchy. As a consumer and Linux user it made me wary of the Framework brand and uncertain of the project's goals. Promoting a downstream niche project like that is cart-before-horse behavior, my next laptop will be a COTS machine until Framework can sort out their professional ambitions.


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What's the source of your quote?


What are you trying to get them to apologize for? By that I mean, what action did Framework take that directly endorsed these specific views?

This Twitter drama is so stupid. Framework did effectively nothing and all these chronically online people like yourself are diagnosing every comment anyone has ever said trying to make Framework denounce their alleged endorsement of views that never happened.

You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had.

Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology?

“I love KitKats!”

“Omg, Nestle uses slaves to farm cocoa for KitKats! Will you apologize for endorsing slavery??”

“No…because I never endorsed slavery…I just said I love KitKats.”


> at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this

That level is of a private citizen, casually going to the corner store to buy a KitKat. If you're giving thousands of dollars to Nestle to hold a conference about their farming practices, I think you might consider their farming practices before giving them a pile of money to hold that conference, even if they are delicious.


And when did Framework do anything like that in relation to this issue?

They just sponsor the Rails Foundation.

GitHub sponsors them too, are you gonna boycott them until they apologize?

How many people on this forum truly believed that supporting GNU while Richard Stallman was a part of it was making an endorsement of his unsavory actions?

This toxic Twitter drama stuff involving everything being a black or white issue with no nuance is so off-putting. Everything is polarized where you’re either on one side or the other and you have to take sides.


Should I boycott all the grocery stores for stocking KitKats and starve myself? Throw out my electronics too? Which ethical laptop of indisputable virtue and purity would you recommend?


I'm not sure how you get that from my comment.


> What are you trying to get them to apologize for? By that I mean, what action did Framework take that directly endorsed these specific views?

How about the whole "giving D14HH thousands of dollars for a useless meme distro which does exactly zero novel things"?

What is with this epidemic of willful ignorance?

>You might as well jump to the conclusion that the people who programmed the animatronic Hippogriff at universal studios endorse every view that JK Rowling ever had.

You might be forgetting the power differential between the worker bees and the CEO/board. The latter make the decisions, the former just execute them. Would I prefer if they had carried out a strike? Yes, but I know how hard it can be to put your job on the line, especially for underpaid positions.

But if you're the CEO? Shut the fuck up. You can't buy your sixth yacht if you reject the JKR deal? Boo-fucking-hop.

> Everyone who bought a Tesla is automatically a Nazi unless they make an apologetic statement when asked about it.

Yeah, kinda. That's Musk's whole deal.

>Idk, like, I understand that it is important for people to have conviction in their views and not just cop out and all that but at some level are people allowed to just not engage in stuff like this and not be forced to make a false apology?

The whole problem is because Framework made a political statement with the donation. If they hadn't done so and just stayed away, then nobody would have ever had an issue, no matter their politics.

If you openly make a political statement, what do you think people are going to do?


The reason we are disagreeing so much is that we can’t agree on what defines a political statement.

Take your view on Tesla as an analogy to this:

I don’t like Teslas and I don’t like Elon but they sell so many vehicles per year that it’s a statistical impossibility for all their owners to automatically be Nazi sympathizers. The Model Y sells almost as many units as the RAV4. A whole lot of Tesla owners don’t even know who Elon Musk is. Most people are not connected to any of this stupid Twitter drama.

Framework hasn’t engaged with this guy in any way that goes beyond technology. They sponsor the rails foundation (not the distro) and maybe gave the dude a dev machine.

You call this an open political statement, but I would say it’s the opposite. And now the Framework CEO is being cornered to make a political statement when he never intended to make one in the first place.

It’s not like Framework donated to “The DHH Political Foundation for Racism.”


That article spends a lot of words in trying to paint DHH's "native Brits" in a positive light but never mentions the following sentence from the article:

> A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.

How is DHH able to determine nativity as defined by "being born and brought up" simply walking the streets of London if it has nothing to do with what you look like?

Plus he even links to a Wikipedia page about white vs non-white British population in London and uses the non-white number. If he wanted to, he could've referred to the foreign-born vs local-born numbers too but he did not.

I don't think DHH is racist, but he's so infected by the anti-woke mind virus that he's happy to parrot racist talking points to "own the libs". Whether that's any better, I'm not sure.

It seems like the author has infinite rope to extend to DHH. That's not being nice, that's being oblivious.


DHH didn't refer to foreign-born because that's not what he was talking about. I made it very clear in the article that this is a perfectly valid definition of "native": "living or growing naturally in a particular region : indigenous".

You are not even trying to understand what DHH is saying.

This is the problem with modern discourse: people don't even listen. You don't care what DHH meant, all you care about is the hedges on speech you want to impose on others.


I'm in a weird boat in all this drama where I don't care what DHH thinks about the UK or the UK


Of course, but I know people who live in the UK who are not white. Some have lived there all their lives, even. Perhaps this drivel doesn't upset them but I can imagine how it might.

Unfortunately DHH is not going to be focused on the UK only. He'll lend his voice to the next rightwing ragebait without consideration of people who he works with on the daily. He had some very strong but entirely misinformed opinions about my hometown a few years ago and it was extremely annoying to read that from an ostensibly intelligent person while being in the middle of everything.

If he was some random guy, it wouldn't be such an issue but given he's the leader of a big open source project, everything he says gets a lot of publicity and frankly causes a lot of distraction for people just trying to do work on or with Rails.


No need for a boatload of shell scripts that's omarchy. Just install any distro and get going.


Agreed. The weird shilling of this nonsense is exhausting.


different strokes dude


Fair. Just wanted to provide my stroke and warn people about a low quality, overhyped project. Doesn't mean it shouldn't exist or people can't use it.


I've been very pleased with omarchy. Most linux distros were "just shell scripts" for 30+ years. Many still are.


yeah, I don't get the haye, just a few years ago people were fighting systemd for taking away their shell scripts.


pretty sure everyone on hackernews knows this


This is an interesting article but unfortunately there's some brigading of this thread by new accounts that's leaving a bad taste in my mouth.


Yeah, same here. I submitted the article and I'm unhappy about said briganding.

To all these new accounts: Please read the HN guidelines and follow them https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Keep it classy, folks.


There is an open proposal to implement it without some of Bluesky's downsides.

https://github.com/mastodon/featured_collections


The main downside being the ability to opt out of starter packs (they can be a source of low quality interactions).


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