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Tesla should just mint their own crypto. IF filecoin gets 200M for a white paper, Tesla can get 20B.


I would not recommend committing securities fraud.


I'm curious. How is what was flippantly suggested related to securities fraud?


The SEC has taken a clear position that whether or not it's a "smart contract" or the like makes no material difference into whether or not you are offering a security. Making a cryptocurrency was suggested as a way to finance Tesla's business operations, so it is almost certainly a security in the eyes of the SEC. At this point, your choices are either to sell unregistered securities or to follow SEC rules anyways, at which point, why not just go through conventional channels?

"Fund your business by issuing cryptocurrencies" is an idea that will likely end in defending yourself legally against the SEC. Bad idea. I don't recommend it.


Crytocurrencies serve one purpose very well: they're presently not being prosecuted as Ponzi schemes.

Which they argueably are.


Ponzi?


Yes, thank you. Fixed. Auto-incorrect strikes again.


I don't agree. I believe currencies not backed by countries have a real use in the world, and labeling any and all as a Ponzi scheme is a misnomer. Anything has value if we assign it, and even if 5% of the world considers crypto valuable I'd call that a successful currency, to those who value it.


Value is not the criteria for currency - otherwise Magic cards and Beanie Babies would count.

Currencies must be widely accepted in exchange for goods or services. Crypto is promising, but it's not there yet.


SEC regulates crypto currency issuances now.


Technically, they're claiming that the majority of ICO-style crypto currency issuances have always been under their jurisdiction. They're just not enforcing "Sale of unregistered securities" stuff against ones done before they put the market on notice through their legal findings.


Like Craigslist and its downfall, the migration isnt going to be to one large community, but many smaller ones.


As of 2015 Craigslist was valued at an estimated $5 billion and had annual revenues in excess of $381 million. Not sure what it is today 2 years later but my guess is more now. Plus CL has been around for 20 years now. It is a cash cow and serves over 20 million page views a month. I don't really consider that a downfall.


a lot of startups emerged from Craigslist niche offerings Airbnb being probably the most successful.


Craigslist had a downfall? I thought it hadn't changed substantively in a decade at least.


I'm guessing he's referring to this article:

https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-another-product-disrupted-an...

Which had quite a lot of visibility a few years ago.


The author argued in 2011 that craigslist would be an afterthought within 10 years. Its revenue has grown from 122m when he wrote that to in excess of 380m now. I think he's pretty clearly wrong.


I had no idea either. I use it almost every day.


While you're getting downvoted for the Craigslist aspect, I suspect the rest of your comment is probably right here. There isn't going to be another big Reddit or Digg like community. The audience just seems too fractured for one to take off like it could have done years ago.

So stuff like Voat, the shut down Imzy, Hubski and Snapzu represent parts of what Reddit was, and the different aspects of the site that different communities either enjoyed or now want.


> There isn't going to be another big Reddit or Digg like community.

What makes you so sure of this? I would argue that this is wildly inaccurate as there will almost certainly be another platform (probably many as you look outward into the future). Imzy was poorly designed, branded and executed (internet safe space?). While their effort and aspirations were righteous, they didn't deliver something people wanted. Honestly I watched that platform since the day it launched and knew it wouldn't last. Digg is old news. I've seen others like topick.com that tanked as they weren't innovative enough. Gab.ai is gaining some traction but it's product isn't innovative and it's too political so it won't scale.

The barrier of entry isn't that high for a new social platform, it's only a matter of time before something newer, less corporate, less "reddit" comes along and gets people's attention. The same could be said for facebook, twitter, and others. No one has a monopoly on ideas.


What happened at craigslist?


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