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The irony in this is that it's hard to imagine a Civic owner going to a luxury hotel with a valet. Maybe a Type R owner with a stretch...


Downtown hotels often don’t have a choice, even if it’s just a Courtyard Inn etc. I har to park my 23 Civic LX at a hotel in DC before for work trip. It was like $80 a day plus tips but I could reimburse it all. Funny thing is the hotel itself was capped at $250ish.


I’ve had my civic coupe valeted at hotels and wasn’t doing staying anywhere special. Business trip where I drove the 100 miles to Baltimore and stayed at the hotel my company put me up in. Also, I’ve had medical appointments places where they valeted your car for free.

I feel like having your car valeted was something special when I was a kid, but now it doesn’t really take something special.


Mechanics, car wash, anyone who can unlock the vehicle while it’s parked.


Type R is one of their most expensive vehicles after the typical dealer markup.


Oh, I love the 2 sides of HN... Here everybody's ready to buy a BYD and even move to China, due to the sheer quality of the product (for the money) and the integrity of the people, totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled. Not to mention the repairability... Just a few days ago there was a popular post taking a modem out of the RAV4. Bet you can't do even that on a BYD without rendering the car non-functional.


That pot&kettle contest between the US and China is really heating up!

You might want to switch from "social credit" (which was a failed local project from over a decade ago) to "blacklist", or just criticize the overall surveillance system, which is pretty invasive.

I'm getting a bit tired of people posting on social media websites and then pretending they are not a part of them. "Reddit" did this, "HN" did that... let's just admit that we're all chronically online people who get irritated whenever we stumble out of our bubble and more than one person dares to disagree with us.


> totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled.

No problem with building the same surveillance state at home though right? At least China's on the way up while the US is slowly declining on virtually every aspects.

American companies have been harvesting my data for 20 years, why wouldn't I give some to China? I interact with 0 chinese software in my day to day but dozens of american companies are harvesting and targeting me every single day since I started using internet.

The free market isn't fun when you're not the ones making all the money and dominating countries you determine to be inferior?


I really don’t understand why this social credit concept has become so widespread. It does sort of exist but not in the big government breathing down your neck kind of way.

Here’s an example - you can rent e-bikes and power banks at low cost, they are everywhere. If you don’t return an e-bike or power bank after using it, not only will that company charge you, but you’ll likely get blacklisted from renting more, even at other companies.

This is a good thing, no???


Well it depends what legal protections are there to back it up. If you get threatened with blacklisting without recourse, that seems like a bad thing.


Feels like its the same poeple saying locked down OS stores are great because security and chrome engine in all browser is fantastic because then everything is standardized.

But worse because here we are talking deep human topics.

Such long period of peace made people forget about how the world work. And clearly studing history in school ks not working. I guess in the US they are getting a new shot right now to remember.


That sounds awful. What if you have a dispute and they're the ones in the wrong? You can no longer just take your business elsewhere.


understandable that people might have fears like this since this happens a lot in the west in my own experience, but in china you can always argue with them and the customer service is usually way better, or you can drop the nuke by reporting to the authorities.


Well then we can unpack US and all the crap thats happening there. From an outsider, there ain't much difference China vs US, just different shades of brown. Comparing those 2, China is definitely more friendly to Europe, US gov publicly stated they want to break EU and make continent weaker FFS.

Nobody is moving to China just because they make good cars now, I have never seen anybody stating that so no idea why the hyperbole. But good (enough) cars they do make and various other products, ignoring facts ain't a smart move in any case.

Removing modem may kill new BMW as well as new Chevrolet and so on, so that argument is... weird. Expect more integration and dependence on online, like it or not. Repairability goes against primary incentives of all car manufacturers, they get significant revenue from official repair shops, often more than from sales themselves. Definitely true for that BMW, have a friend quite high in their sales team in Munich and he stated that few times.


Isn't the social credit system mostly a credit score, similar to the one implemented in the United States? As someone living in a European country without such a thing, I also find that one pretty dystopian.

About the data sending, wasn't there a quite recent incident where an American car manufacturer was leaking the real-time position of all their clients' vehicles? Aren't US telecoms selling position data of their clients? Isn't the US filled with surveillance cameras managed by a private company keeping track of every car?

Do you base your last statement on anything, or is it just a hunch?


What country do you live in? They probably have credit records. Here in Finland you definitely do. They don't break it down into a single score, but lenders can see how many debts you've defaulted on in the past.

https://www.oikeuspalveluvirasto.fi/en/financial-and-debt-co...


Not social credit score, this is something different.


Yes, it is a literal credit score, which the grandparent comment claimed doesn't exist in "a European country".


Social credit score affects all your actions as a citizen, and can restrict your liberty as a citizen. E.G: a cop don't like you because you sleep with his sister, they charge you on false pretense, and now your internet is more restricted or you can't take some trains.

Banking credit score only affect your ability to get a loan. You sleep with a banker sister, and... they can't do shit because there is no money trail and you can apply for a loan elsewhere. You will only be rejected for a loan if fail to pay some of your existing loans. Reasonable.


> wasn't there a quite recent incident where an American car manufacturer was leaking the real-time position of all their clients' vehicles?

You might be thinking about GM:

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2025/01/...


From what I read it's mostly a credit score and blacklist system. In the 2010s there was a project to use it to reward and punish people for some everyday stuff based on whether it did or didn't align with the party's morals, but it got scrapped. That's the part everyone thinks is going on over there.

I agree it's dystopian, but I live in Germany and we have a similar thing called "Schufa". For most people it mostly means that if they default on a credit, they'll be less likely to find an apartment. It differs from the US one in the sense that banks don't require you to get into debt before they trust you, that whole "build your credit score" nonsense.


No, the social credit system can restrict your basic freedom, including the freedom of moving, without a judge being involved.

The fact you are casually talking about it is infuriating.

It's like taking about the yellow star and stay "isn't it like the pins in the US".


I see, thanks for the correction. Aren't people put in ICE detention centers and offshore prisons indefinitely with no charges and no judge involved, though? Or is that OK because they aren't citizens?


I'm not American. And the discussion is about the credit score system.

We were discussing cancer, and instead of talking about it, you tried to avoid saying bad things about it and answered "isn't diabetes bad as well?".

I assume now you are a China propaganda account and will stop answering to you.


The discussion was actually about privacy and human rights concerns when moving from western manufacturers to Chinese ones.


Nothing can restrict your basic freedom in the US though, right? lmao

American believing in the most base propaganda regurgitated by their government for the last 50 years is the funniest shit ever. You're implementing the same thing at home right now, not even secretly, and there is not a single protest, nothing...

If americans were 25% as critical with themselves as they are with China... Flock cameras, Palantir, 48 hours ago, one of trump's best friend:

> Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior, because we’re constantly recording and reporting everything that is going on"


I'm not American, and my answer solely focuses on the fact the social credit score is the most dystopian thing ever created by modern dictatorship.

Which is an answer to guy saying people idealize china these days, thanks to effective propaganda from the regime.

Want to criticize the US? Go for it. That's just not the topic.

And until you can wear a Tiananmen Square t-shirt in a public street in Beijin, any good thing China is doing is moot for its population. It's still in a dictatorship.


It would be naive to think HN is not immune to influence operations. The people singing praises to China are not necessarily people.


Even more naive to think that the HN crowd is any more immune to propaganda than the non-HN folk.


lol, every single american repeating "ChInA bAd" on every single thread mentioning china like automatons, while not being able to locate it on a map or name three living Chinese people", and having the audacity to talk about being under "influence"... the irony

China's living rent free in your collective mind for 50+ years while they just chug along and slowly catches and surpasses you in most aspects.


They are probably people, paid for it. The comment are too well made.

But also some are just real people from HN that are the worst kind of dumb : uneducated but smart, so they think their opinion is valid.

This is where the "history at schoolis useless" people show their true color.


If you don't want the car to be sending data, you can remove the SIM from under the armrest.


I frankly could not give less of a fuck about China spying on me. Spy away. At least they don't communicate their findings with my government. What I do care about is my own government spying on me, or domestic companies spying on me and selling that information to my government.


The "Two sides" you're spotting is US posters vs non US posters. It's not exactly a secret that the US has long had a propaganda process going against China with their own citizens. From the outside it's weird how 'cult like' some parts of the US education system come across with things like this. It's similar to the whole socialism = communism = bad fear embedded into US society.

The US obviously isn't the only one guilty of this kind of thing, it just happens to have been one of the most effective.


This is an article where you shouldn't go directly to the comments or you'll miss all the fun.


Strength is the ability to break a chocolate bar into four pieces with your bare hands and then eat just one of those pieces. – Judith Viorst

People are made different. Some are more binge oriented, seems those also feel the most guilt after consumption and then they restrain for a longer time, then they fall worse. I'm like that, when I do something I'm all in, seems like a awesome thing when I'm into good things, but otherwise prone do get addicted to bad ones.

I noticed others who are more detached, don't feel that guilt and can stop when they want like you. Seems the better way to approach things is in "smaller bites".

Anything good in too great measure can become bad after all.

I don't know, I'm struggling with youtube of all things. Blocking extensions seem to work for a while...


I just disabled all recommendations, makes it way easier to not get caught up. You shouldn't say "of all things". They have hundreds of highly intelligent engineers working around the clock to get you addicted.


To block youtube use open dns. It interrupts the cycle. I had it set for reddit and hacker news, youtube etc.. for a long time.


I feel like this is the story of open source tools. Way harder to use but once you know the tool the power and freedom is much greater, and even the pleasure of using it.

I'm also thinking of cli vs gui here.

Sounds like delayed gratification.


1. Decide your goal, probably get hired? (Web, Devops, Embedded...)

2. Learn the stack that follows from 1, just barely, not too much theory. You want to start as k with 3.

3. Build something using the stack you learned. Start even if you are clueless of how to do it, and google every question you encounter. Stackoverflow will become your friend.

Repeat 2 and 3 for the rest of your life.


Related, may I ask in what climatic area are you living? Where I live it gets so cold in the winter that I almost can't even wash my hands with cold water. On the other side I feel like in the summer I could take on such a habit. Maybe a solution would be to warm it just slightly in the winter.


Hands are also the hardest part of the body to cold-shock, all those little bones and large surface area. People who routinely go into ice baths often keep their hands above the water so they can stay in longer.


This is beautiful. As a developer this is the kind of app I would like to work on, that has a direct good impact on people's life.

I know there are all kinds of lists on github.

Is there a list of companies that are inherently good (I know it's subjective) and are hiring developers?


As an engineer working in non-profit health, just remember the grass is always greener.


Does this mean you feel that your work is not altruistic?

Would you mind elaborating on that? Some days I feel like I’d rather work for a non-profit than where I am.


Having worked in a government organization (military) for 10 years, i will guess.

I think the point is not that one is not better than the other, simply that they are different. Each coin has two sides, and double edged swords cut both ways.

If youre flush with cash, you might feel void of meaning. If youre helping children, you feel fulfilled but frustrated by what little it would take to accomplish so much more.


Reminds me of the Japanese idea of 'Ikigai' [1]. Basically what you describe - most careers end up fulfilling you in one way, but leave you devoid in another.

[1]http://theviewinside.me/what-is-your-ikigai/


There's actually a great list provided by the folks at Fast Forward, specifically focused on tech forward non-profits https://www.ffwd.org/tech-nonprofit-jobs/opportunities/?_sft...


I run Nafundi (https://nafundi.com) and we work exclusively on open source software (https://opendatakit.org) that improves the lives on the underserved. We are bootstrapped, remote-only, and always hiring.


Amazing work! Just curious -- what's your revenue model?


A combination of professional services and grants. The mix varies from year to year.


I also subscribe. Having a non-technical background, CS101 and CS253 were essential for the start of my career in web development. And even though at the time (2014) I went with PHP to get my first dev job, I soon returned to Python because of that strong foundation.


Being in a similar situation (before degree), I totally agree that I need a solid CS education.

BUT, given that resources like https://teachyourselfcs.com/ are available for free why should I waste money and time and energy on courses of a probable lesser quality, at least at my local university.

The way I see it the problem is not the education itself but your credentials or reputation in front of a possible employer.

So I noted down 3 ideas for myself:

   - build an Open Source reputation, by own projects and contributions - a stellar github account

   - get good at competitive programming - win kaggle competitions, hackerrank, top coder etc.

   - get a CS degree
To me either one of the first two seem better than a degree (given that I learn CS on my own).


That worked for me until I wanted a visa. Now I am getting a CS degree.


In the US, the skilled worker visa (the infamous h1b) requires a bachelor's or masters, or 12y relevant work experience, or a mix of the two.


Was it that you needed any degree or did you specifically need a CS degree for your visa? Which country was the visa for?


USA. I'm currently on an L1B (which is difficult to get and renew, and only renews once). To get an H1B I need that degree, and it helps if it's related to the field.


fair point, something to think about for me


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