Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

So it's not "when did the CIA become a rogue actor", but rather "which stuff did the CIA fund", right?

Also, is there anything like a "free market" in the US? It appears that some government agency or another is financing things, or feeding info to entities in just about every single market. This has been going on since WW2, at least. So when do I get to scoff at any mention of a "free market"?



Free markets are about freedom of choice in participation - freedom to create a business, take or leave a job, freedom to product or buy the products you want. It's about economic freedom.

That the CIA interfered with things doesn't change the fact that people are still free to do those things. You could argue about whether people really free to not buy a diamond ring to announce an engagement or not, in the same way the CIA has been influencing and financing operations. But the fact of the matter is there is no state actors forcing you to do such things.


> That the CIA interfered with things doesn't change the fact that people are still free to do those things.

It certainly does interfere. The propaganda articles displaces other articles and other publications.

Or, for a larger example, do you thing AT&T could be driven out of business because of their cosy relationship with the NSA? Heck no. It's more likely that AT&T's government partners will reward it regulatorily and with more contracts, and with social media astroturfing if a movement to boycott AT&T got going. Shut up and consume.


Any individual might be free to buy or sell or participate or not, but if there's some covert support, monetary or regulatory or informational, then the market isn't working according to the participant's input.

A firm offering worse prices to consumers, but getting inside information might drive its competitors out of business, even if they offer superior service or value. The outcome is different. I don't see how re-defining a free market in terms of the participant's choice makes it work like a market in which the government agency hasn't meddled.


It's not re-defining what a free market is, that's always been the case.

I guess the point I haven't got across is that even if the government interferes covertly with one specific product or market, it has little effect on the overall market. Just think of the number of SKUs in an average Walmart and you'll get an idea of what I mean.


It's a matter of degree. There is no 100% free market - your transactions are influenced by a lot of factors, from the taxes in Nicaragua to your physical location. Government intervention is one of those limiting factors; mobsters demanding protection money from a shop owner is another.

We (libertarians) prefer the markets to be as free as possible (with an ideal of 100% free) because we've seen a direct relationship between market freedom and economic prosperity (utilitarians) and / or because we find it more moral than the alternative.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: