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>This also helped killing the Java role on the desktop and together with Microsoft, started the industry cycle to move back into AOT compiled languages.

Well, it's not like Java ever did much to win the Desktop. Swing was a horrible over-engineered mess, performance was crap until GC improved and CPUs caught on in the mid-late 00s, and the desktop saw mostly neglect from SUN.

>I wonder how it would have turned out if they had killed Objective-C instead

And have all OS X userland apps being written in Java? Probably Apple would have been dead.

Besides it's not like they killed Java among protests from developers -- the majority of developers and users "were quite happy to using Objective-C" as you said.



Regarding Swing,it is quite possible to create beautiful applications with it, as I mentioned regarding the Filthy Rich Clients blog.

The big problem, was that it required an effort to learn how to do it, which the majority of the developers weren't willing to do.

I still don't understand why one needs to explicitly enable the native L&F. It should have been enabled by default.




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