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Thank you!

As for me, I'm not so sure what to share. I'm not all that exciting. Most of the time I have I spend on Lily. Once in a while I take a break. But I don't get out that often. Lily's nice in that it's a place for me to do something and feel like I make a difference.

My day job? For most of the time that I worked on Lily, I was working part-time at [redacted] as a Maintenance Assistant. My favorite memory was talking shop with a guy there who had some computer knowledge. He asked what I had done and I told him that I had just written a garbage collector and that it was so awesome because it took just a week and it went well.

He answered me saying something to the effect of "Well of course you wrote a good garbage collector, you're Maintenance! That's what you do!" We both had a good laugh at it.

I've never had a job doing software development. I recently left [redacted] to pursue a job in software, but haven't had much luck with it. I'm still holding out hope though.

So, no, my job isn't programming related.

Resources? My strategy is that when I get up to something new, I do all of the research that I can both in the topic itself, as well as how other languages do it. One example would be Exceptions. I didn't know how to do that, so I started researching how Python did it, how Java did them, Ruby, etc. I started thinking of what I wanted, and also what the goal of having them in my language was. I also made sure to search through Haskell, Scala, Rust, and OCaml since they don't use exceptions as much. The point being that I wanted to know what languages do when they tend to not use exceptions.

Rather than starting off as "This is a good idea", I instead approach it as, "I think I would like X. How does that typically get done?"

For resources, the most helpful thing I've read has been ESR's guide on struct packing:

http://www.catb.org/esr/structure-packing/

I'm afraid not much else comes to mind though.



Thank you for getting back!

Coding itself is fun, yet it is always interesting to know the guy behind software. It is a tough road in making a new language and you have invested 5 years on it! That determination is something I hope could achieve :)


:D :D

I love this comment.

I'm self-taught too, and I really enjoy reading about other self-taught people doing great things. There are a lot of barriers for us (not all of them justified), and I empathize with the struggle.

Really sad to hear that you haven't gotten a software job yet. Usually I recommend that folks do enough open source work so that they can unquestionably prove that they can program; more solid proof than the average CS student can provide. Of course, this isn't always an option; as not everyone has that kind of time :( In your case you have written Lily, so this shouldn't be necessary either.

What were your interviews like? Were they all "frob a linked list"-type? I've noticed that most self taught people (incl me) don't bother with these things. They know how to frob a linked list, but are not experts at it. Which makes sense because there are a lot of more fun things out there to get better at :)

If this is the case for you, see if you can avoid such interviews; look for companies that ask more development-y questions. One such company I have had good experience with interviewing with Microsoft, and of course my current employer (Mozilla) asked good questions at my interviews. Of course, small sample space of interviews, ymmv :) If you need I can probably dig up more such companies from the experiences of friends in similar situations. Asking HN directly might also turn up some interesting opportunities.

Keep up the good work! :D


I am mentoring a young friend who is somewhat similar to you in that he is a programmer with a lot of potential but no experience. He started taking programming jobs off of craiglist and did well enough that he is now a full time programmer at a company. Success breeds success.


That's pretty amazing.

You know, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you're the only developer who ever created a language and whose day job is not writing code.

Hat's off to you, seriously impressive.


Hell man, that's even more impressive.

As someone who's self taught and gainfully employed let me know if you want chat. I know quite a few other people who've gone non-traditional routes and I'd be happy to provide some insights.


It sounds like you're extremely talented as a programmer. Hang in there, someone will get lucky and pick you up!




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