> It was a US based in the beginning - but by the time Chip + PIN started there was significant infrastructure already in place. Its not like we all just started to use cards in 2005
Sure, but it was far more widespread in the United States. Even now, to this day, there are businesses all over Europe (I just did an 11-country tour not long ago) that simply don't take credit cards. In the United States, even student organizations take credit cards for selling things like shirts. Europeans haven't been using credit and debit cards like Americans have, and so even though similar infrastructure has existed, it hasn't existed to the same extent as it has in the United States. It follows that retooling the infrastructure costs significantly more in the United States, as every "swipe machine" had to be replaced with a machine that accepted a chip. Everything from drive-up ATMs to Square, to gasoline pumps have to be replaced. At this point we're kind of conflating technology with economics and market dynamics, but it's worth pointing out that it's not a lack of technology that made the US swipe-only for so long, but market forces. If, it cost me less money to deal with swipe fraud than it does to replace all of my credit card machines... what do you think a business would do?
> Sure - that is down to market forces, not banking tech. There are banks here where I can use both Apple / Android pay, and all merchants take it (by virtue of our advanced usage of contactless payments - another thing that was introduced before the US).
How do you arrive at this conclusion? I don't recall being able to use contactless payments anywhere in Italy, for example. Not that it doesn't exist, but my impression from visiting Europe and living in the United States has been that contactless payments are far more ubiquitous in the States than the countries I've visited in Europe.
> What other areas is the US more advanced in (bank tech wise) ? We have online only banks, push notifications for transactions, and all the other things I see advertised by US banks.
I find most European cities are cashless, and accept MasterCard and Visa as well as the local country issuer for payments, attached to a local bank account.
You might have been running into the fact credit cards have much higher merchant fees, even if it's probably a violation of their EMV merchant agreement to refuse to accept these cards.
I see zero meaningful advancement of payments in the U.S. over Europe, to the contrary. There are more cash only restaurants in the U.S. especially if you're not in a big city, it's quite common. I think your opinion is based on a very limited experience across the U.S. and Europe.
And EFT payments in the U.S. are incredibly slow compared to their European counterparts. The fastest bank to bank transfer is Fedfunds wire, and that costs money, upwards of $30 for each party. It's cheap or free in Scandanavian and European cities.
I really have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to American innovation in this area... I see it as yet another example of American pay more to get less sort of classist mantra. Oh but if you have more money, and pay more fees, agree to give away more personal data in the EULA, you can get better services!
I have been using contactless payments for years here, and the 4 other EU countries I have been in this year, all accepted contactless. You may not have been able to use a US contactless card, but people do use it. It is also worth noting that each country in Europe has a different culture and history, which inform the choices people make with banks, and particularly credit cards.
Scale - sure, the US is larger than any of the EU countries population wise - but not sure how that is "innovation".
Blockchain - work on blockchain tech is global - American companies even export the R&D to EU countries ;)
Products + Payments - there is nothing ground breaking in the US, that is not in the rest of the world
Sure, but it was far more widespread in the United States. Even now, to this day, there are businesses all over Europe (I just did an 11-country tour not long ago) that simply don't take credit cards. In the United States, even student organizations take credit cards for selling things like shirts. Europeans haven't been using credit and debit cards like Americans have, and so even though similar infrastructure has existed, it hasn't existed to the same extent as it has in the United States. It follows that retooling the infrastructure costs significantly more in the United States, as every "swipe machine" had to be replaced with a machine that accepted a chip. Everything from drive-up ATMs to Square, to gasoline pumps have to be replaced. At this point we're kind of conflating technology with economics and market dynamics, but it's worth pointing out that it's not a lack of technology that made the US swipe-only for so long, but market forces. If, it cost me less money to deal with swipe fraud than it does to replace all of my credit card machines... what do you think a business would do?
> Sure - that is down to market forces, not banking tech. There are banks here where I can use both Apple / Android pay, and all merchants take it (by virtue of our advanced usage of contactless payments - another thing that was introduced before the US).
How do you arrive at this conclusion? I don't recall being able to use contactless payments anywhere in Italy, for example. Not that it doesn't exist, but my impression from visiting Europe and living in the United States has been that contactless payments are far more ubiquitous in the States than the countries I've visited in Europe.
> What other areas is the US more advanced in (bank tech wise) ? We have online only banks, push notifications for transactions, and all the other things I see advertised by US banks.
Scale. Blockchain. Products. Payments.
What are your thoughts?