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Literally none of the old assumptions will apply. Let's go through some of them.

1. Maintenance. Electric vehicles require far less maintenance than ICE vehicles. (First thing I found on Google: https://insideevs.com/ev-vs-ice-maintenance-the-first-100000...)

2. Vehicle size. Once these systems are up and running, do you think Waymo & Uber, once their systems reach any level of maturity, are going to send you a 4 person vehicle to pick up 1 person? This reduces:

a- the capital cost of the vehicle

b- its cost of maintenance (less parts, etc)

c- the amount of energy required to get from point A to point B

Which brings me to...

3. Price of electricity. Waymo, Uber, et al will get their electricity at wholesale rates.

4. Low cost of capital. The cost to access the capital to buy these vehicles will be lower than anything a peon like you or me could ever access.

5. Bulk-buying 1,000,000 vehicles. No dealers, no dealer commissions, zero customizations, less parts, smaller vehicles, no car manufacturer marketing budget...

6. Maintenance scaling. The need to scale maintenance operations country-wide is going to lead to its own interesting effects. With a hard limit on the types of vehicles in a network, most cleaning and general maintenance will, in time, be doable by human-monitored robots.

7. Ride subsidization will effectively crush any margins any of these companies could ever hope to have.

8. Shared depreciation. Depreciation will be significant per vehicle but overall, cheaper, as each vehicle will have more utilization.

I'd hesitate to guess at the effects of all of the above, but it's not much of a stretch to anticipate an additional 50% reduction here, barring any unforeseen taxes, of course.

You might pay more for the network with great coverage and lux vehicles.

You might pay less for the crappy network with dirty cars and plastic seat buckets.

Etc.



Very few of these points have anything to do with ICE vs EV. Most of them are automated vs not. (1) and (3) are maybe valid, though if you don't think large fleet operators aren't hedging their fuel purchases... Even my local school district buys desiel for buses via wholesale and futures.

And regarding (8), many taxis are rented by drivers for their shift, with multiple shifts per car per day. Uber could be doing the same right now, but they'd rather rely on drivers not realizing the full value of their car and giving the difference to Uber.


Your points covers the entire scenario with self-driving & electric cars.

I totally envision the points mentioned. I put the $$ figures for on-demand hail service subscription a month ago, on a HN thread as follow .

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15644680

2021 : Electric Self-driving on-demand FLEET Car 1000 miles/month SUBSCRIPTION from Google, DiDi, Uber, Renault/Nissan,Tesla, VW,Toyota,GM for $400/month

2024 :same 1000 miles/month SUBSCRIPTION $200/month

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> Literally none of the old assumptions will apply. Let's go through some of them.

> 1. Maintenance. Electric vehicles require far less maintenance than ICE vehicles. (First thing I found on Google: https://insideevs.com/ev-vs-ice-maintenance-the-first-100000...)

> 2. Vehicle size. Once these systems are up and running, do you think Waymo & Uber, once their systems reach any level of maturity, are going to send you a 4 person vehicle to pick up 1 person? This reduces:

a- the capital cost of the vehicle b- its cost of maintenance (less parts, etc) c- the amount of energy required to get from point A to point B

Which brings me to...

> 3. Price of electricity. Waymo, Uber, et al will get their electricity at wholesale rates.

> 5. Bulk-buying 1,000,000 vehicles. No dealers, no dealer commissions, zero customizations, less parts, smaller vehicles, no car manufacturer marketing budget...

> 6. Maintenance scaling. The need to scale maintenance operations country-wide is going to lead to its own interesting effects. With a hard limit on the types of vehicles in a network, most cleaning and general maintenance will, in time, be doable by human-monitored robots.

> I'd hesitate to guess at the effects of all of the above, but it's not much of a stretch to anticipate an additional 50% reduction here, barring any unforeseen taxes, of course.

> You might pay more for the network with great coverage and lux vehicles.

> You might pay less for the crappy network with dirty cars and plastic seat buckets. Etc.




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