LastPass is one of my least liked most used tools. Everything about the implentation feels second rate; slow, unreliable login capture, unreliable form fill, occasional inability to edit records, buried password copy, clunky UI, inappropriate modal nagging in browser and app... Most times I use it I am cursing it.

I tried to switch to pass, and I'm not sure if it was something to do with how I imported but it didn't list my passwords and the browser plugin was clunky and didn't work. Anyone had success with pass/gopass.

Bitwarden seems like a happy Medium, I'd rather not do my password ops. The pricing seems fair (and rather optional). I'll try it, thanks.

LastPass has corporate mismanagement written all over it. It's ridiculous how bad their product is considering how big they were.

It is puzzling. My feeling is that for quite some time they had a lead on features (cross-platform, browser overlay, secret sharing) - particularly the combination of features whereas competitors always seemed to have a subset. That's what reluctantly kept me with them. The software quality does just seem quite bad though.

I have the same disappointing experience with LastPass and have grown tired of it. One of these days I will do something about it!

Check out Keepass! Rather than syncing directly into a Cloud, it allows you to store a database file into any location. It supports MFA (e.g. by combining a password with a secret file, or a Yubikey). And everything is open-source.

I like the model a lot, because it solves the "database ownership" issue, where your Password provider (be it LastPass, 1Password, etc) becomes in itself a weak link.

I'm a super happy user of KeePass too, and KeePass2Android is the best password management app I've ever used.

I used to use KeePass but the lack of a proper crossplatform UI eventually broke it for me; KeePassX on linux looked and performed terribly, the Android app was just bad, etc etc etc.

I switched to 1password which - at least at the time - offered a web-based fallback hosted from your own dropbox. Plus at the time you owned the data and were responsible for storing and syncing it. Dropbox support came out of the box but if you want you can use a local file.

KeePassXC works great for me on Linux, Windows, Mac, and Android.

Have another look at KeePass. They recently got a native Mac implementation, and I seem to recall seeing a new one for Linux at the time.

On the Mac, KeePass now feels like a better experience than having to pay a subscription for 1password.

Or MacPass for macOS, which was a very slick alternative to the KeePass application at the time.

Yeah you're right, I believe it's based on .NET so on Linux you'll have to use Mono. For the plugin ecosystem, that's suboptimal because you'll have to rebuild a lot of plugins from scratch.

I used to be a 1password user, but they were pushing their premium, cloud-based offering a lot and lacked Yubikey support so I switched away.

Keepass is great, but it is somewhat slower and more clicks to get passwords into forms as opposed to 1Password or LastPass.

I have used Keypass for years. It is not as convenient as some of the alternatives, but I trust it more.

I'm in the same boat. The user experience on it is terrible now.

The worse thing that happens to me is if I generate a password, and then Lastpass doesn't save it! It feels like a 50% shot it will actually save the generated password.

I have nearly 1000 passwords stored in it now, so it's going to be a huge pain to migrate.

This is by far the worst. I have LP set up with a shortcut + fingerprint tap on my MBP, which works great until I'm generating a password, which never gets saved. I have to remember to get my vault page open ready to fill in before I generate the password, because if I generate one from the toolbar dropdown I'll never see it again. Ugh.

LastPass Mobile UI seems to be intentionally crippled ( https://vgy.me/9r29bm.jpg ) I assume because they want you to download the app, pushing you to purchase their license.

If you load the same site using "load desktop site" the UI gets fixed.

The Android app is still very frustrating to use.

Access through the apps has been free for a couple of years now.

Bitwarden is best. I hope they will not get bankrupt from free users. Its funny it is cheapes but also works the best out off all managers i tried. Dashlane is good but its so much more expensive. Bitwarden will slowly kill most of the managers if they keep up the great work.

Has anyone tried ButterCup (https://buttercup.pw/). I've been looking at the codebase and it seems really solid.

I will add this to my password manager binge (because I know how to party). I did find the NPM build a bit frightening though - module 956/1xxx built...

Also that site looks like it should be selling something but I see no money hole - should I be worried?

This looks really nice. Wonder if there are any security reviews, I'm tempted to try it.

I use 1password regularly, tried bitwarden, found it lacking in various quality of life features & polish that 1p has, so I didn't migrate.

This is kind of yikes for a password manager too: https://github.com/bitwarden/core/issues/399

But it's also pretty much the only polished open source password manager there is out there.

For now I'll be sticking with 1password, but might check out bitwarden again once they have tests and more maturity as a password manager.

Just for the record, I don't believe that 1Password has unit tests either. I was unable to find evidence of unit tests, but I did find this: https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/156429/...

We have a tendency to compare opaque with transparent and balk at what we find, but I question what you would feel if you could see through the opaque.

That is true, but at least they have code review and multiple people ;) I'm just estimating from my experience that after a certain point, most companies start writing automated tests.

And if you look at their jobs page, one of the job description points is "Create unit tests for existing code to run faster and more reliably.": https://1password.com/jobs/droid-builder/

They might even have a few QA people AFAIK!

I understand why the single founder / engineer of bitwarden doesn't have tests. When you're a startup not writing tests can speed you up significantly. But after a certain point they are going to need automated testing, especially for something as vital as this.

For me, the lack of open source in 1p has been a sticking point, and I was planning to migrate after the audit. But seeing no tests, 1p documenting their security model and bitwarden not being good enough compared to 1p in UI has me sticking to 1p for now. I have high hopes that bitwarden will get to that maturity point one day.

I found the same thing with their client apps, should have checked core to see if there weren't any there as well.

I switched over about a week ago and find it pretty solid, but it's missing alot of the quality of life features that last pass had. You can't just hit command + c whilst on a entry and have it copy the password, they haven't implemented the new ios 12 features that make password managers much better on ios.

I'm running them both right now as I'm not fully committed to the switch over, but I'll see how the features get added over time.

I moved from LastPass to 1Password recently. Had been using LastPass for several years, but filling failures, the lack of copy password in FF (and no binary workaround for Linux), and generally unhelpful support when I contacted them prompted me to move.

Very happy with 1PasswordX (the browser-only version) - filling is much better, copy is supported out of the box, support have been very helpful when I've reached out. Much better customer experience.

I was a 1Password fan for many years, until the big push to go subscription. For now I'm just using Apple's keychain until I decide what tool to use next. If you're in Apple's ecosystem, keychain actually works pretty well.

You can still purchase a standalone license, even for v7. Sure they want you to rent access to your data, but that's not the only path. I also recently taught KeePassXC to read the 1P on-disk vault format, so you can continue to use 1P even in Linux, and even if AgileBits goes under.

Loving Safari / iOS 12's improved integration with Keychain.

However. Still can't uninstall 1Password. Haven't figured out where to store notes (meta) in Keychain. Stuff like "Name of your first pet?".

Have a look at KeePass. There's a native OSX client now.

Do they support automatically adding/updating sites yet?

It will prompt you to do so.

Not on page submit, but you can do it when the form is still visible before you submit.

My 1Password always prompts me after I submit a form if I want to save the credentials used in that form.

Might be different with 1PassX?

I have been using Pass [0] with passff [1] and been pretty happy about it. Simple and offline password management where passwords live in gpg encrypted files. Additional features I like are tracking changes with git, bash completion and copying passwords to clipboard for few seconds temporarily, and a few very useful extensions.

[0] https://www.passwordstore.org/ [1] https://github.com/passff/passff#readme

Another pass user here. Simple and understandable, two strong positives for that type of application.

Pass is awesome. I use it in combination with a YubiKey to store the pgp key. Because every password is stored in an independent encrypted file and every decryption needs a press on the YubiKey even a stolen database and keylogger does not provide access to all passwords.

I use pass with keyboard Maestro on the mac it just gets a autofill input for the password I want, them opens a terminal and asks for the master password if needed and puts in the clipboard. Very friendly way to use it.

Pass ist definitely not as polished, but it's so dead simple, just a thin wrapper over gpg and git.

I would like to recommend keepass. It's open source as well.

Yep, I use KeePass synced over my selfhosted nginx server. But you can use Dropbox/Google Drive/etc. just as easily.

I would like to also recommend the Firefox extension 'Kee' for autofill. On Android there is the 'Keepass2Android' app. Both are open source and work well.

I also recommend the KeePass plugin 'Yet Another Favicon Downloader'. It downloads favicons from websites for your password entries.

Also 'Keebuntu' is a plugin that makes 'minimize to tray icon' work for me on Linux.

Agreed, a very functional manager for me, though I am using the KeePassXC [1] version on macOS (via brew cask) and Ubuntu (via snap).

1: https://keepassxc.org/

+2, keepass and plain google drive / dropbox / icloud file sync to have it available in several machines.

+3 Though I sync it on my synology instead of teh cloud.

I've thought about setting up a personal NAS for this purpose. But I'm concerned about having a single point of failure/loss in the event of a house fire or burglary. Any chance you've addressed this risk in your implementation?

I'm also a happy Bitwarden customer. I especially like that it is all Free Software (combination of GPL 3 and AGPL across various parts), which to me is important for security and privacy related software. I've also had good experiences with Bitwarden support from Kyle, the lead developer and founder.

I second this. I was a long term LP user that switched to Bitwarden this year and haven't looked back.

Install the LastPass binary, and you get copy password back in Firefox.

I tried that on Win10, and it didn't work for me. It was the last straw. Honestly, why on earth do they need it anyway? HTML5 has had a Clipboard API for a while now.

I've used both extensively and Bitwarden is just a dramatically higher-quality app it's not even funny.

Not on Linux, and we've waited too long. 1Password supports it direct from the extension.

Weirdly, I have been using Lastpass in Firefox on Linux and seem to have copy/paste.

(Not that this whole thread hasn't had me re-evaluating whether there's a better solution for me now.)

Ah good to know. Does anyone know the reason they removed it from the Firefox addon?

I believe it had to do with the change from the old addon format to the new one in Firefox.

Bitwarden doesn't seem to have any problem copying passwords using a new-style extension with no binary install.

I recall that the initial release of the Web Extension support was a bit threadbare, and/or that they had to change the extension ID or something of that sort, but it's also possible it was left out for existing design reasons/as a cudgel. In either case this whole thread has been useful for alerting me that I should re-evaluate if Lastpass is the optimal solution for me.

I switched to LastPass from 1Password because I hated their whole mobile sync thing where you had to be on the same wifi and start your Mac app to sync etc. I understand that it's more secure that way, but that trade-off was not worth for me. Has that changed in the meantime?

Thanks

I migrated over from Lastpass to Dashlane a few years ago. Couldn't be happier. It integrates with everything and as far as I understand their encryption is better than Lastpass, although I couldn't say how.

Another vote for Dashlane. The password management is stellar, it even alerts you about breaches and prompts you to change compromised passwords.

I run a unique password for every site so it doesn't matter if a provider gets rumbled, and I don't reuse passwords or have to remember multiple ones.

The form autofill is pretty awful compared to Lastpass, but I can live with that.

I do love lastpass but since switching to Firefox 100% away from Chrome, the lack of copying a password to the clipboard without seeing it first really stings. What if someone is sitting next to me, or someone is grabbing screenshots or streaming my screen? It's like having this super secure electrified iron door installed but neglecting to lock it.

Is anyone aware of a technical reason that copy to clipboard is absent in Firefox, or is just laziness? If laziness, I'll dump them tomorrow.

Install the lastpass binary in addition to the browser plugin. It re-adds that functionality back.

I'm using lastpass with firefox nightly and I don't have this issue. copying the password to clipboard without seeing it works out of the box using the browser extension.

In bitwarden it works out of the box, so I think it’s just laziness.

The clipboard can be accessed by any other application.

I've never used any other password manager but just wanted to say I love Lastpass. It very rarely fails on autofill for me, it saves all my passowords nicely, has secure notes, organizational sharing for teams. I find it to be really great.

Hmmm, I have been using the Keepass + Dropbox combo. Wanted to change to a more streamlined experience. The current choices of 1Password, LastPass and Dashlane didn't seem to attract me.

I will give Bitwarden a try.

This is what I do too. Biggest complaint is the lack of official apps for mobile devices. I’ve used MiniKeePass in the past but am hesitant because there doesn’t seem to be much active development and I don’t see the source code anywhere.

Do you access kbdx files on mobile devices? If so, what do you use?

Source code lives here: https://github.com/MiniKeePass/MiniKeePass

The biggest problem with MiniKeePass, in my opinion, is that it doesn't support the new iOS autofill API and that it doesn't support even basic syncing. You always have to make a manual copy of the database file and you can't really create logins on mobile because of that.

There's a fork of MiniKeePass called KeePass Touch, but they don't publically host the source code anywhere. You have to email them to ask for a copy of the source code, which is technically GPL-compliant, but a bit annoying.

On Android: keepassx2android offline app is pretty good.

I am using Keepass Touch in iOS

I personally use keeanywhere to streamline my experience. It allows me to just log in and select my db

+1 for bitwarden. Not a security professional, but it seems to be a good tradeoff between security and usability. Definitely better than lastpass on both counts.

Something about storing every password in a single cloud service to improve security sounds counterintuitive to me.

The passwords are all encrypted with the master password and ideally an additional salt such as in the case of 1password.

What do you do?

Are you in paid bitwarden? For Premium and/or family?

+1 recommendation for Bitwarden