Seems like a really nice feature. I've been thinking about something like this for a while.
I see some people are really annoyed that it isn't available for the Home version and I too am somewhat annoyed but in this case it is somewhat understandable since it depends on a feature that is (somewhat more reasonable) limited to Pro versions.
The thing that annoys me more (hi MS guys, feel free to tell the relevant people about this) is how they have started to add ads to the login screen and my start menu - even in the Pro version!
I'm on KDE now so I cannot verify this since the last few months, and probably shouldn't care but given that MS has become a lot nicer in a lot of areas it really should bug developers and PR people there that PMs or bean counters (sorry to all good accountants and PMs out there) are allowed to destroy all the work you put into making people love you.
- Clumsy installation process (unless you where in a position where you didn't have to rely on OEM crap, i.e. unless you where an IT pro or enthusiast)
- Performance. My builds would easily take 50% more time on the same hardware with Windows. Git was slower. Node was slower.
- Ecosystem. Until WSL getting access to standard tooling was kind of clumsy (respect for Cygwin, but still). Even after WSL it is still clumsy (who can tell my how to activate WSL without consulting duckduckgo? I've done it twice and I still cannot say for sure).
- Package management: Used to be non-existent (except again cygwin). Now it is just clumsy (a mix of Windows Store, WSL apt-get and Chocolatey should get you most of the stuff you need.)
- Licensing. I'm no die hard free software person, but many of the standard programs on Windows are directly user hostile (Acrobat Reader comes to mind).
- Until recently Windows also lacked basic desktop manager features like multiple desktops.
- Not directly Microsofts fault, but if people like me are using Windows it is often because someone I work for demand it. Usually that also means having to deal with an IT department running Active Directory and all the "interesting" consequences that has, even for someone who is part of said IT department like I've been. (Getting locked out from your files because an admin flipped a switch? Check! Someone swapped regional settings across a group of machines that I was responsible for and locked them, causing all POS systems to fail with no way to fix them? Check! Having to wait for all kinds of scripts that run on logon? Check! Accept having basic parts of your user experience set by it department? Check! Again this is not MS fault directly but back when I first experienced working with Windows in companies for some reason Active Directory seemed to attract people who wants to to those kinds of things and/or it has a power to make them want it. </rant>
> I see some people are really annoyed that it isn't available for the Home version and I too am somewhat annoyed but in this case it is somewhat understandable since it depends on a feature that is (somewhat more reasonable) limited to Pro versions.
Hyper-V does function under the garb of 'Windows Hypervisor Platform' and 'Virtual Machine Platform' even under Windows 10 Home. I have it installed and it provides the virtualisation capabilities for Device Guard and Core Isolation/Memory Integrity.
Virtualbox from version 6 has been forced to fallback to Hyper-V when the latter is running, as it doesn't relinquish control to another virtualisation software.
So there is no reason why MS cannot implement Windows Sandbox even on Home since the underlying tech actually functions on all Windows editions, provided hardware support is there.
> So there is no reason why MS cannot implement Windows Sandbox even on Home since the underlying tech actually functions on all Windows editions
By that logic Microsoft could also allow Windows 10 Home to run Active Directory. The reason there's a Pro/Home split is a commercial decision not a technical one, so trying to view it through a technical lens is faulty.
Regardless, if we want to talk about security features Windows 10 Home "should" have, let's talk AppLocker one of the most powerful security tools available. My computer illiterate relatives aren't going to be dropping into Sandbox to test potentially dangerous executable, but AppLocker could be set and forget, blocking execution of dangerous items.
The only thing Microsoft offers on Home is the highly self-serving "Allow apps from the store only." Which adds as many problems as it solves.
> By that logic Microsoft could also allow Windows 10 Home to run Active Directory. The reason there's a Pro/Home split is a commercial decision not a technical one, so trying to view it through a technical lens is faulty.
You misread the post.
eitland was saying that:
1) sandbox needs hyperv for technical reasons
2) hyperv is not in home for commercial reasons
3) therefore home can't have sandbox
Santosh83 wasn't trying to view the entire thing through a technical lens. Their post has an implicit understanding of the commercial argument when it comes to unlocking the full hyperv feature set. They were simply correcting the technical portion of someone else's argument.
But your computer illeterate relatives wouldn't know how to set applocker in the first place, so it does fall within the realm of managed machines which is kind of what pro is for.
It should be turned on by default then with an override option, so that the average home user can't install stuff that'll bork the system without being warned. Just like SIP in OS X or Developer Mode on Chromebooks (although that's more extreme).
I digress. With the exception of biological disease there has never been a problem that more money couldn't solve. Whoever believes otherwise simply doesn't have enough money (or doesn't want to spend enough money) to accomplish what they're trying to do. Especially with computers.
Technically it's free, if you wait long enough. If you wanted to be free of their influence then enough money to relocate into space or another planet without volcanoes. If you wanted to get rid of volcanoes on Earth then your best chances would likely be to try and slow the rotation of the Earth by sapping angular momentum, expensive and slow but it should work I think!
Compatibility and familiarity most likely. Server cuts pretty much everything that wouldn't be used by a role such as remote desktop host, what you see left is what is actually used in real world cases. In the particular case of links to Videos/Music the remote desktop host role would need to support them. I mean yeah they could dynamically add the links based on use case discovery of which roles that need them... or they could just include the default explorer profile and nobody really cares that the links are there as they are on every other Windows install.
Now when it comes to things meatier than a few shortcuts they are much more willing to go modular. See nano server.
If you dig around in settings you can disable those ads (aka "suggestions").
I've not found a way to stop Defender from advertising Microsoft accounts or OneDrive via the security warning system. But they can at least be dismissed until the next feature update puts them back.
> But they can at least be dismissed until the next feature update puts them back.
This is damning praise. If intentional it means users are't being offered permanent control of the software, only momentary changes. I dare say they aren't even 'options' at that point since the word implies lasting choice; at least for me.
I see some people are really annoyed that it isn't available for the Home version and I too am somewhat annoyed but in this case it is somewhat understandable since it depends on a feature that is (somewhat more reasonable) limited to Pro versions.
The thing that annoys me more (hi MS guys, feel free to tell the relevant people about this) is how they have started to add ads to the login screen and my start menu - even in the Pro version!
I'm on KDE now so I cannot verify this since the last few months, and probably shouldn't care but given that MS has become a lot nicer in a lot of areas it really should bug developers and PR people there that PMs or bean counters (sorry to all good accountants and PMs out there) are allowed to destroy all the work you put into making people love you.
Edit: minor edits for readability, clarification