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Before disparaging wikileaks and/or the person of Julian Assange for whatever shortcomings they've got it would be good to contrast this with the opposite, say a leak from inside the North Korean or Iranian regime.

Such a leak would be applauded and the perpetrator would be declared a hero by those exact same governments that would like wikileaks to go away.

Don't shoot the messenger.

And realize that whatever your government does it does so in your name too. If it can't stand the light of day because it is illegal or embarrassing then maybe it should not be done.



I suppose that's true if you consider the interests of Iran or North Korea to be just as valid as the interests of the western world. If the U.S. and Iran/North Korea were two equally evil governments fighting only for their own self-interest, that would be the case. However, as much as I am disappointed with the state of the U.S. right now, I think that what's good for America is much better for the Hacker News crowd than what's good for North Korea or Iran. While I don't support the way the U.S. government has been acting over the past decade or so, it still supports free speech, free markets, and democracy far more than its enemies.

Revealing private diplomatic information is not free expression, it is an attack on the country. It gives an information advantage to that country's adversaries and sours its relations with its allies. If wikileaks did the same to North Korea, the U.S. would celebrate it not because it represents free speech, but because it would weaken their government. There are some legitimate government secrets, and diplomatic cables are one of them.


The interests of Iran or North Korea are from the perspective of their leaders just as valid as our interests are to our leaders. All of them would condemn wikileaks for publishing their information, regardless of which country you'd be looking at. The same would go for China, Russia and pretty much every other nation in the world.

Which ones you would think are 'valid' and which are 'invalid' apparently depends on your own interests in the world, and not so much on the 'badness' of that particular government. I would welcome total openness from my government about stuff like this, I would hope for the citizens of those other countries to do the same.

This is not an attack on any country, and to sketch it as such is not an honest depiction of the facts, it is an attack at those that perpetrate illegal acts in the name of all of us.

That 'if you've got nothing to fear, you've got nothing to hide' thing works both ways.

Either we, the citizens of all those states have a right to privacy, or the government does not have a right to privacy either. A society without privacy will have zero privacy for everybody, and I think part of the anger and the backlash against all this is that the governments are slowly waking up to this and they don't like it much.

If your perspective changes depending on which nation you are from that's a fair indication that you are probably wrong, if only because no nation is 'absolutely better in all respects' than any other.

Many North Koreans would agree with that statement about the US (of course, they've all been brainwashed, right?).


I think you're taking moral relativism too far when you compare the US with a country like North Korea. I would actually say the US is "absolutely better in all respects" than North Korea; care to name a respect in which North Korea is better than the US?


They are probably not living under the illusion that theirs is the greatest country in the world.


Yes, I do suppose you're rather grateful you don't have to deal with obnoxious North Korean tourists, or with jingoistic North Koreans posting on web forums.


Or we can just not like Mr. Assange for needlessly putting peoples lives in danger?

I don't know why but when I read the headline I chuckled. It is so apropos.


Whose life has been threatened by him? Please provide sources.


If any of that data is HUMINT it is quite easy to put lives in danger.


Then it can also be said that not disclosing also puts lives in danger. Talking is cheap. There is yet no reason to beleive that Wikileaks hasn't acted responsibly.


If you assume it's best to disclose US clandestine activity to Russia, China and North Korea.


Valerie Plame.


You are saying if her cover wasn't blown we wouldn't have gone into Iraq? Not sure I follow.

It is a fact that revealing HUMINT data has a high probability of ending the life of informant or spy.


What if the reason it's kept out of the light of day is that it makes the already difficult job of people working in my nation's interest even more difficult?

Much of what's here is not in the least surprising, but having official confirmation just makes it that much more complicated for people out there trying to make things better.

Not all secrets are eeeevil, you know.


my nation is a different one from yours.

And that goes for a large number of people.

Not all secrets are evil, however I'm fairly sure that the fact that some secrets in fact are evil is what drives the feeding frenzy around wikileaks. If all that came to the surface would be an impeccably functioning diplomatic machinery with the highest standards for ethics I highly doubt this would get as much press and attention as it does.




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