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The end goal here is that people who live in big cities give up their personal car. The journey there might involve this problem though and it depends on the city to enforce new rules.

For example, my home town Hamburg (in Germany) is a bad example of too few parking spaces being policed correctly. At some point, the drivers give up searching for a free space that's still in a walkable distance from their destination and will park illegally, which leads to one of 2 lanes being permanently blocked by resting traffic. Apparently the police doesn't care about these illegally parked cars.

There are lots of cheaper and more space-efficient alternatives for personal transport, which were mentioned in the article.

It's also possible to rent shared cars for the rare case you actually need a car (if you want to transport large furniture for example).

Speaking from my anecdotal experience, not owning a personal car works pretty well, I commute to work with an electric bike in 20 minutes (which is actually quicker than taking the train or driving a car and then look for a parking space). If I want to buy furniture and I can't transport it with my bike, I can still rent a car.

On top of not having the dreadful experience of having to search 10-20 minutes for a parking space every time, it's also a lot cheaper.



Well, I am absolutely not interested in giving up my car. It is my private space and enabler of my freedom of movement, without relying on external services and timetables. It adds a lot of value to my life. If my city becomes too unfriendly for me and my car, I will have to move elsewhere.

I work from home, though, and I don’t use the car for daily commuting. Commuting is the main driver of most traffic problems in the cities, so there’s that.


If you want to keep your car then you should pay the full cost (no free roads and parking for you to use) and externalities (carbon, noise/particulate pollution) of car ownership. Car owners currently receive trillions of dollars worth of market distorting subsidies from the government.


I pay the road tax, car tax and fuel tax on that, so I’m fine, thanks. There are no government subsidies for cars in Europe. Parking here is also quite expensive.


Parking in the US is often free, or close to it. Almost all new housing has a codified minimum parking requirement. Instead of letting the market determine parking, it's set by the local government, and almost always more available than market ideal.


I don't know where you live, but in most countries those do not cover the full cost of car ownership (don't forget to include the externalities of carbon emissions and noise/particulate pollution).


Switzerland. My car is regularly checked for compliance for low emissions standards. Tram line near my house produces much more noise pollution compared to cars.


If those emissions standards are so rigorous why is climate change still happening?

> Tram line near my house produces much more noise pollution compared to cars.

Now divide by the number of passengers and try again.


It's because there are other sources of pollution far worse than cars.

For example cargo ships:

https://newatlas.com/shipping-pollution/11526/


> If those emissions standards are so rigorous why is climate change still happening?

Mostly because of the Chinese industry. Also coal and gas electricity generation. Nuclear power is the solution.

> Now divide by the number of passengers and try again.

Doesn't work like that. You can't divide noise. There's a threshold level.


Do you think 1 car generates the same amount of noise as 100 cars? 1 tram is not a replacement for 1 car.




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