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Maybe the old internet is still there but hidden behind the 100th search result page. I often times wish search result were ranked by how genuine the page seems to be, measured by the ratio of content over ads. Indeed, the less advertisement on a page and the more likely it is written by an actual human being with something to say. Sadly, I suspect ranking to works exactly the opposite.


Maybe we need to bring back "web rings" and blog rolls.


Web rings were indeed great. "Sites similar to ..." queri3s in search engines are not a good replacement.


Someone linked me to this on HN a few days ago: https://neocities.org/browse . It definitely brings back that old geocities/webring vibe the internet used to have.


I just read in another HN thread about Million Short. Knock off the top 100,1000,10000... sites in your search results

https://millionshort.com/


That's fascinating, thanks for sharing!


A search engine that filters out first (direct marketing) or second (blog spam) degree commercial links would be extremely powerful.


Build it!


Easier said than done. How do you programmatically define "genuine" in a way that can't be easily spoofed?


* let content producers sign their content and discount producers who have a lot of content on the web

* presence/absence of ads from known ad networks

* presence/absence of google analytics etc

* ratio of a page's download volume in bytes versus number of square centimeters of the viewport when rendered by a typical user

* cap the point at which higher update frequency scores you "ranking juice". real human beings doing a website for a non-commercial motive and who set a high bar on meaningfulness of their communication aren't going to update their site multiple times a month. you have to outsource the creation of thin content to achieve that, which is what we don't want.

* cap the point at which younger content ranks higher & cap the point at which older content ranks lower, for similar reasons. information that is great information today because it's topical, and no longer great information tomorrow was probably never great to begin with. and if content is great, then it will age gracefully. -- as a matter of fact you may want to downrank content that's very young for that reason. web search is about searching something that should be a permanent information store / archive sort of thing. if you're looking for something that's more like a newsfeed, discovery mechanisms other than search should be used.

i'm sure i could think of more. but one thing that strikes me about the above list is that a lot of this stuff is the exact opposite of what google is doing right now, so the shittiness of today's web is, to a large extent, engineered. i don't think it's within the nature of the web that it inevitably has to be like what it's like today.


information that is great information right now because its topical, and no longer great information tomorrow, was probably never great to begin with.

I absolutely agree, but if it's true then maybe Wikipedia is to blame.


Step one: don't get paid for showing non-genuine search results.


Votes to get accepted, votes to get kicked out.

Like any "social ring", esoteric or not.

Edit: and vouching, if someone messes up the person that introduced her wll be obstracized as well.


Any community voting system runs the risk of very quickly becoming politicized and then backfiring.


It would be great it a indexing service like Duckduckgo allowed using custom ranking algorithms.




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