> It doesn't make them lazy. You're not lazy for not wanting to hike the Oregon Trail.

If I walk the 1/4 of a mile flat loop at the park down the street from my house every day and call my self a hiker I would be a liar.

Really were talking about Dunning–Kruger, "If you're incompetent, you can't know you're incompetent". I go back to "stupid" as the clear winner, and add in that they are too lazy to get out of that rut (put in the work) and that the title "engineer" becomes a willful or delusional lie.

> Re: Surgeons - precisely the point. A perfect result demands a high level of skill which the average developer has nowhere near. As a result there are lots of casualties.

To your earlier point, we give everyone with a pre med degree a scalpel and a patient with a traumatic brain injury and say "go" were going to have a lot of bodies. The case is clear that we are far too tolerant of bad code and bad engineers, and we don't have roles like "podiatry" or "nurse" to demote people down to where they can contribute and we can limit their harm.

In healthcare, podiatry and nursing aren't demotions. They are entirely separate career tracks from medicine. Most nurses and podiatrists do those jobs because they want to, not because they failed at becoming physicians.