I will address the most important point about education first.
> Which has been very problematic. Education for all is good, but they have enforced Christian education and many other negative things.
How is getting educated becomes problematic verses no education at all. I am taking about basic reading and writing ? Controlling the access to education and maintain the hierarchy of the society is the fundamental idea of the varna system. This is one of the important reason there were very few Nobel laureates and inventions have come from India in correlation with its population. By the way Britishers never had religion as part of education.
> It seems like there are some gaps in your understanding of Hindu and Vedic thought. Yes, you are born according to your past life karma, but the soul (in a body or in the other loka) always have free will – so you chose your karma – you chose to do actions that created future karmas to be resolved. By extension, you chose your birth. This is the full understanding.
This is same as saying you don't choose your varna/caste.This is just another way of saying you are born in to lower caste and have to do the back breaking job because for your sins in the previous birth.
> In the original varna dharma, there isn’t an “easier life” for one caste or another.
A priest life is much easier than a farmer or manual scavenger.
> Your natural abilities are the way that you choose your caste. One person has no interest or ability for the spiritual life, but they are good at business. Your natural abilities are chosen based on past karma, which you also chose.
Not true. Its very explicit. Even if it assumed true, once education is denied and fathers occupation is enforced on the children's for all the generation's how does one will have the time to find out and grow their natural abilities ?
> A person of the priest caste would offer equal respect to the worker caste
If education is not restricted based on religion, then one does not have to seek privilege or validity based on birth.
> The authority should be by one’s own volition and the community.
The enforcement is not by community its by the kings as preached by the vedas. The kings enforce varna system by denying education, owning property based on the caste or enforce fathers occupation over their childrens. Naturally kings have the incentive to avoid competition and hold on to their power.
This is tiring. Can you confirm that you understand or do not the difference between what the Vedas declare about varna dharma and how it has been abused? This core point you continue to either ignore or not comprehend. Your entire argument is useless because it continues to be based on the misapplication of varna dharma, which I agree, is not good.
> By the way Britishers never had religion as part of education.
That is utterly, laughably, ridiculously false. I can't believe someone with even a modicum of intelligence would say that.
If you don't believe in karma that's fine, but whether you believe in it or not doesn't mean you continue to state false things about the Vedas. One can have a correct understanding of something without necessarily believing in it. But your understanding has been incorrect this entire thread, where I've each time pointed to the difference between what the Vedas declare in contrast to what people have done. This difference you can't seem to grasp.
You are trying to project the varna system and vedas are preaching good things but only the implementation is bad. That is not true. Division of laborers(not labour) and enforing them over the generations even if you don't believe in karma is baked in to the core philosophy of the vedas.
> That is utterly, laughably, ridiculously false. I can't believe someone with even a modicum of intelligence would say that.
Citiation please. Britishers primary goal is colonization. Missionaries came much later and they did not interfere with the education system.
How many times do I need to repeat that the Vedas do not say this? Apparently you will never understand. According to the Vedas, one's varna dharma is independent of one's family. I've said this in every single post in this thread. The Vedas declare that one's varna dharma does not depend on in which family one has been born. One's varna dharma according to the Vedas is not dependent on one's family.
I suspect based on your username (John) and your use of "Britisher" that you're a Christian in India, which is likely why you continue to spread ignorance and idiocy about the Vedas.
> According to the Vedas, one's varna dharma is independent of one's family. I've said this in every single post in this thread.
Yet, every time you have been wrong((https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/4104). What vedas says about movement of varna is that it is permitted only if it is accepted by other community which is not practical due to the incentive structure i have already explained in my previous reply. The varna conversions are cited only in the stories from the hindu holy books, it is never an independent choice. And the rules are entirely different when it comes to the highest varna in the hierarchy(i.e priest). The priest must volunteer himself to change if he feels for 16 years he has not done the duties according to his varna(NOTE: The pronoun "he" is used intentionally. Because women is considered lower that the bottom of varna system) . Now do you see why the movement b/w varna never happened and not practical.
> I suspect based on your username (John) and your use of "Britisher" that you're a Christian in India, which is likely why you continue to spread ignorance
I am born to Hindu family, but i am an atheist turned antagonistic. My motivation is to make logical conversation and convince that getting rid of varna system is better for India and not undo the progress.
> your use of "Britisher"
What do you mean by this ?
> Which has been very problematic. Education for all is good, but they have enforced Christian education and many other negative things.
How is getting educated becomes problematic verses no education at all. I am taking about basic reading and writing ? Controlling the access to education and maintain the hierarchy of the society is the fundamental idea of the varna system. This is one of the important reason there were very few Nobel laureates and inventions have come from India in correlation with its population. By the way Britishers never had religion as part of education.
> It seems like there are some gaps in your understanding of Hindu and Vedic thought. Yes, you are born according to your past life karma, but the soul (in a body or in the other loka) always have free will – so you chose your karma – you chose to do actions that created future karmas to be resolved. By extension, you chose your birth. This is the full understanding.
This is same as saying you don't choose your varna/caste.This is just another way of saying you are born in to lower caste and have to do the back breaking job because for your sins in the previous birth.
> In the original varna dharma, there isn’t an “easier life” for one caste or another.
A priest life is much easier than a farmer or manual scavenger.
> Your natural abilities are the way that you choose your caste. One person has no interest or ability for the spiritual life, but they are good at business. Your natural abilities are chosen based on past karma, which you also chose.
Not true. Its very explicit. Even if it assumed true, once education is denied and fathers occupation is enforced on the children's for all the generation's how does one will have the time to find out and grow their natural abilities ?
> A person of the priest caste would offer equal respect to the worker caste
If education is not restricted based on religion, then one does not have to seek privilege or validity based on birth.
> The authority should be by one’s own volition and the community.
The enforcement is not by community its by the kings as preached by the vedas. The kings enforce varna system by denying education, owning property based on the caste or enforce fathers occupation over their childrens. Naturally kings have the incentive to avoid competition and hold on to their power.