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Ask anyone here trying to access unemployment benefits. Bureaucracy is universal, and sometimes an intentional design pattern to discourage people from applying in the first place.


> Bureaucracy is universal

No, it is not.

In Canada the application process takes 2.5 minutes and the money is deposited 2 days later. Many people have already had $4000 deposited in their account (two payments), and will get another $2000 deposit in the 9th of May.

Just because something is terribly broken in one country, don't make the mistake of assuming it's universal


I mean half the benefit of unemployment benefits is the employment you generate via bureaucracy.

It's something I find a lot of UBI proponents miss. Sure you "save money" by cutting bureaucracy, but that bureaucracy is employed people. The savings probably aren't as considerable when you have to lay off a ton of people in order to put them on UBI.

And sure, for the private sector, bureaucracy is generally something they try to quash (with varying effectiveness), but in the public sector it's almost a desired outcome because it means more jobs, more metrics, more budget.


Sure, but better (less wasteful) to just give people money than employ them in busywork.


No, because giving people a job means giving them a structured and social life, as well as a place in society and the feeling they contribute to it. This is very different from just giving people unemployment money, that then fuels a particular lifestyle that is hard to get out of (I have few friends that get trapped into this at some point).


almost nothing is truly only busywork (besides, that’s belittling), so it’s better to employ people than give away money. employment has many beneficial side effects, like esteem, that free money doesn’t have.




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