Please don't take HN threads further into generic political flamewar. These sequences just endlessly repeat, and repetition is what we most try to avoid here.

Consider how much better the top subthread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23859830 is with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23860042 as the top comment instead of this one. The difference is striking.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

(We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23859830)