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I would say that it can be both. Large organizations like Microsoft have so many different people and teams that there isn't necessarily a group-think. On the contrary, different teams will have different priorities, and keeping people aligned is a really hard job.

The thing that bothers me about Visual Studio Code is that does conform to the general Microsoft rule of enabling telemetry by default. IMO, this is not good practice, and in some cases it seems to have been encouraged or mandated at a senior level. We should not have aggressive data collection in the world's standard desktop OS, or compilers baking vendor instrumentation into C++ binaries by default.



I used to be quite hardline on this matter myself, but I found the julialang [1] discussion on this topic quite a persuasive argument in favour of default telemetry.

I think it's a difficult ethical question, because there are balancing concerns and interests, and most behaviour doesn't easily fall into the obviously wrong or obviously right categories.

[1] https://discourse.julialang.org/t/pkg-jl-telemetry-should-be...


There is a difference between, say, Debian popcon (which is opt in during install) and the 50 MSFT tracking options that are enabled despite having ticked the "no" box during install.

One of which is a keylogger! Windows 10 is pure evil.


Do you have a link for the key logger?


https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4468250/windows-10-...

"As part of inking and typing on your device, Windows collects unique words—like names you write—in a personal dictionary stored locally on your device, which helps you type and ink more accurately.

If you sync your Windows device settings to other Windows devices, your local user dictionary (up to 100 KB per language and 300 KB total of hard drive space) will be stored on your personal OneDrive for the purpose of enabling sharing of your dictionary with your other Windows devices. "

And it may have been worse when Windows 10 was first released:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2974057/how-to-turn-off-wind...



It's a big page, so I might be missing something - could you point me towards the part where is says it logs keystrokes?


It doesn't. It creates statistics on how you type and what words you use in order to predict your input in order to help you in the future by predicting words you'll use before you type them.

It also doesn't do this for password/passphrase fields.

You can also turn it off, and you're prompted to do so upon OS installation, and the option is always there in the settings application, and you can even tell Microsoft to delete any telemetry it has for you, if you want, and they'll delete it.

Those are the facts. But, it's common to ignore those and just shout "keylogger" in online forums. It is also, somehow, a sign of weakness if you look for updated or changed information which may change your opinions, because no one ever seems to do this. Like, ever.


I would argue that it's not about intent. The most reliable way to predict the behavior of a corporation is to expect them to take the action which will optimally help their bottom line.

So for instance, the team building VSCode might be the most altruistic FOSS diehards on the planet, but that doesn't matter if the people managing them see an opportunity to leverage their work to profit MS at the expense of developers.


Optimally help their stock price*, which is supposed to factor in longer term effects including developer community goodwill etc.


If you have compelling evidence of corporations choosing long-term "good will" over short term profits I would be very interested to see it


every generous return policy by a shop

every PR action

free(as in beer) software (e.g. visual studio)

charitable donations (e.g. google to wikipedia)

not pressing charges for rampant cracking (photoshop used by students/children)

diversity photo ops/hiring practices

non-firing of incompetent employees

free workshops or tours for the public/children


Those are almost all tax deductions or are required by law.


Yeah, clearly the Windows team thinks it is still in the mid 90s.




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