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Robinhood has been known to be sham for a very long time. Anyone with money there is willfully ignorant.


It’s not a scam it’s just a pretty mediocre broker with a fancy ui. Lest we forget they introduced many traders to options, for better and worse. They are/were WSBs broker of choice. They changed the fee landscape in trading US-wide.

It’s hard to say they weren’t impactful, though we can disagree on the positivity of the impact itself.


>a fancy ui.

it's flashy and sort of stylish, but it's really woefully under-featured compared to just about any other broker e-trading software out there.


> it's really woefully under-featured compared to just about any other broker e-trading software out there.

Alternatively phased:

It is easy to use even for people who are new to investing.


I think that it makes it worst even for new investors... maybe better for computer-illiterate people, but that, I don't know if it is still a thing.


Can you point to any above average, or dare to say, good brokers?


Always depends what you're looking for.

I personally use IBKR because their margin interest rates are less than 1%, they have excellent fills and order routing, access to an overwhelming amount of products (equities, equity options, index options, futures, futures options, foreign markets, bonds, etc.) and features. Their portfolio margin feature lets you trade with a margin maintenance rate as low as 15%.

If you don't want them to sell your order flow (and offer you the industry's best margin rates by far) IBKR Pro is your thing.

A lot of people like Think or Swim, Schwab, Fidelity. If you compare, you'll see what I mean about fees though!


Yep IBKR, although I’m biased. They’ve been the only ethical company in the business for decades.


Sham not scam. (Although that’s arguable as well.) The lack of attention to detail I would expect from Robinhood users.


> It’s not a scam it’s just a pretty mediocre broker with a fancy ui.

That's what it is. But what really matters is how it is perceived.

Their pitch is quite literally "We’re on a mission to democratize finance for all. At Robinhood, we believe the financial system should be built to work for everyone. That’s why we create products that let you start investing at your own pace, on your own terms." [1]

It's a lofty mission. And it does so in two major ways: (a) Building a platform - application, knowledge base,... - that simplifies trading stocks and (b) offering bottom pricing for brokerage. The idea is to get as many people to the stock market as fast as possible.

RH saw an gap in the market for financial brokerage and took a plunge.

Their business model isn't that different from other brokers: capturing as much trading volume as possible. However, instead of making money off commissions, they earn millions on the back-end by charging fees on routing orders, or making interests off of cash payments in customer accounts.

> It’s hard to say they weren’t impactful, though we can disagree on the positivity of the impact itself.

There are two big issues with RH.

The first is that it only offers the bare minimum of information on financial trading on their knowledge base and through their app. In fact, on their website, the "risk disclosure" link on their first sales pitch is just a pop up with literally just 1 line: "Investing involves risk, including the loss of capital. Investors should consider their investment objectives and risks carefully before investing." [2]

Sure, the application provides restrictions through automated profiling, but at no point do you talk to a knowledgable human up front who can assess whether you should be using RH, let alone trading on the financial markets, in the first place.

At the end of the day, no matter how this gets spun, the trader is - quite literally - left to their own device to decide whether or not trading on RH is a good idea in their specific situation.

The second is their brand / image. RH gained some brand notoriety as it was first adopted by a young population with a bit of cash on hand but not enough to invest in anything meaningful or stable like a home or a family. The "democratizing financial markets" pitch resonates with an audience / generation whose general outlook on the world and the future isn't all that positive to begin with.

Over the past year, RH gained further traction through the fundamental economic and social changes caused by the pandemic. A community like WSB embraced e-brokers like RH and further boosted their notoriety / brand image / narrative. Moreover, an online community like WSB is another clear example of like-minded people clustering together and how a shared collective identity galvanizes in a surprisingly short time frame.

Over the past months, RH lost control over the public's perception, partly by their own pitch, partly because of the sudden change in circumstances. This wasn't an issue as long as the nature and the volume of the trading fitted within the existing assumptions of other, traditional / incumbent stakeholders in the financial markets.

That changed over the past 2 months as speculative investing via RH, WSB, online ivesting,... went "viral" overnight.

But that's all it really did.

RH is just one of many more actors that provide access to the markets. And their audience of day trading investors represents only a tiny fraction of the total volume of trading on the financial markets. RH had about 13 million users in 2020. [3] Consider the hundreds of million of people and companies who are vested in the financial markets through pension funds, mortgages, household debts, business loans, saving accounts and so on.

An e-broker like RH with their particular brand, the audience that it accrued and the emerging culture / identity could only become as popular as it did because of inequities and sudden shifts elsewhere in the economic system. Their story lays all of that bare for everyone to see, including policy makers and finanicial regulators.

Personally I see this story more as an expression of a particular zeitgeist rather then a driver in itself for fundamental long term change.

[1] https://robinhood.com/us/en/about-us/ [2] https://robinhood.com/us/en/about/#our-products [3] https://www.businessofapps.com/data/robinhood-statistics/



> Without admitting or denying the SEC’s findings, Robinhood agreed to a cease-and-desist order prohibiting it from violating the antifraud provisions of the Securities Act of 1933 and the recordkeeping provisions of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, censuring it, and requiring it to pay a $65 million civil penalty.

A) SEC should remove the option of "without admitting or denying" this time

B) The CEO is choosing to speak in double speak because anything he says will violate the antifraud provisions after already being slapped for violating the antifraud provisions. (isn't the point of a law for the punishment to be a little more than agreeing not the violate the law? circular civil suit that should have been referred to the DOJ)

C) Refer current actions to the DOJ and this prior settlement that was violated.


I mean the fraud here is fairly eh. They gave a smaller price improvement (but still beat nbbo) relative to other discount brokerages. The lie was that they delivered same great price as other discount brokerages. However, most of their clients were small and still net-saved money by not paying the flat fee. The practice ended in 2018.


yeah they lied about revenue sources and why they were able to offer low prices. would have been better if they just shut up and didn't try that hook.


Sure, but as far as frauds go it is fairly victimless. Their users were likely winners in the aggregate for using RH


Moving back to my actual point, the SEC and DOJ should leverage this prior settlement to enforce stricter sanctions.

The mere existence of the prior action makes them cannon fodder. Hit them.


Sanction them for what? What they did today was caused by following the rules. They couldn’t do anything else.

If they did restricted selling it would be “fair” but it would be illegal because only regulators can halt sales.


Ok, its a good question.

I think outside of specific sanction any resulting regulation should be a comprehensive restriction on payment for order flow, as part of the already ongoing populist trend of valuing data and considering it users property with its own property protections.


But payment of order flow directly benefits retail traders. They get better spreads because of it. Why would you limit that?




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