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So what is the origin and why did it result in the beauty that is the universe? Surely it could have kept all that energy for itself.

Keep in mind this conversation began because someone said "America has won too much".



I didn’t read that. I was simply responding to the someone saying the economy was not zero sum and saying that, that specific statement is categorically wrong.

The origin of energy in the universe is not known and the beauty of the universe is your opinion and not relevant to this conversation.

There are several things about energy that are always true as far as we know:

1. We cannot created or destroy it.

2. There seems to be a fixed amount of energy in the universe.

3. As energy rises in entropy either through inevitably or usage it becomes unusable to us. You can heat your room with a heater but you can never recapture that heat to reheat your room again. Therefore “available energy” is limited.

All of my statements can be derived from the “axioms” above. Concepts like beauty or the origin of energy is not derivable from anything we currently know.


> I didn’t read that.

Context is relevant.


Not in this case. I'm right. You're wrong. Context doesn't effect the outcome.




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