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I've done apps in Java/Swing, Java/Netbeans, Java/JSF, PHP4/MySQL/PEAR, Python/(web.py|Pylons|Django), Flash/MTASC, JavaScript/JQuery, raw JavaScript, and Haskell/Happy/Alex, plus several others where I don't feel I really learned the technology in-depth.

I agree with your general point though. It takes me about 6 months to feel proficient in a language. It's not just the syntax - it's the idioms, packaging infrastructure, unit testing tools, code organization principles, code conventions, etc.



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