>Okay, so what I _think_ you're saying here is that we should no longer be thinking about divs and spans and such as the raw materials we use to write a page, nor should we be writing HTML itself,

Yes. It seems you grasped that some time ago, as you refuted it.

>this also treads awfully close to the argument that "devs shouldn't be writing 'code' any more anyway

Is Java Swing 'code'? WinUI? Was VB?

I don't think what I'm suggesting here is really that difficult to grok. But, hey I believe this thread has run its course. Appreciate the discussion.