Look, I am well enough aware of the depth of the crimes and misdeeds of US imperialism. I'm not blind. But the current Chinese regime has many repressive aspects, different and often more grave than those we find in the US. Also, if one examines its history, the number of internal deaths arguably caused by government malfeasance is much greater in China than in the US. So while I may agree with your bottom line, a person weighing the failings of the US and China may argue that "China is worse", and that would not be a preposterous claim even if we disagree with it.
>I have stated multiple times that muslim or uygur genocide in Xinjiang is a laughable propaganda lie.
That you have stated so does not mean if it is true or not. Your Chinese source doesn't change the fact that Uyghur birthrates dropped by a 60% between 2015 to 2018 according to Chinese government statistics. From 2016 there was a seven-fold increase in sterilization [1]. There are no natural reasons why that would happen, only to Uyghurs, entirely limited within Xinjiang in such a short amount of time. It is the textbook definition of genocide [2].
> Uyghur birthrates dropped by a 60% between 2015 to 2018 according to Chinese government statistics.
First thing first. Dropped birth rate itself is from from genocide. China does not have genocide on Han people, even if the birth rate dropped significantly https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/44133954.pdf
Note Uyghur (维吾尔族) birth rate is 1.991 in 2000 and 1.842 in 2010. The same time the other groups vary a lot, but mostly the difference lies in the area economy development degrees. Ie, more advanced areas have lower birth rate.
Planned birth can cause drop in birth rate. As in the case of the one child policy.
Planned birth is violating human rights. But it's not genocide.
All in all, check the facts and see who are producing them. I am not a professional reporter, and I only believe extraordinary claim require extraordinary proof.
All evidence so far can only lead to the speculation that Uyghur population might be growing much slower (for that I still not see evidence that it's outlier compared to the whole population trends in China as a whole, I.e., Chiese population is undergoing huge aging and low birth rate across the nation).
If you want to link one data points to genocide, then I assue you I can come up with genocide claims in any nations on earth.
> Birth rates always drop when the quality of life improves.
Sure. They do not drop 60% in only a few years, only amongst a single ethnic group in a single region. The numerous testimonies, plus recently leaked documents confirming this is an explicit CCP policy removes any doubt.
That's true. However, it seems in China some things just happen much more quickly than anywhere else. This happens with building new nuclear power plants (or building anything, really), and I wouldn't be hugely surprised if it also happened to things like sex education, especially given Chinese lack of tolerance towards religious extremism and the reproduction rights hurdles it brings, even in nominally civilised countries like the US. Another thing about those official Chinese statistics is... well, personally I'd take them with a grain of salt. China is still far behind the West when it comes to transparency.
The testimonies are a strong argument, however we're in the middle of information war against China. There is also the argument of the amount of those testimonies: there are surprisingly few of them, given millions of people armed with smartphones who live there.
But the premises of 60% drop in birth rate from 2016 to 2918 is not verified in the first place...
I am still asking the source of 60% drop in birth rate of Uyghur groups. You probably need similar data for other ethnic groups to prove that this drop in Uyghur is unusual.
The point remains that no one is applying the same standard when discussing China related issues. Why birth rate drop is linked to genocide? Because it's China!
No I totally think US is overall superior to China right now, when comparing 2 nations snapshot vs snapshot.
But, US perception on China is so bad compared the Chain perception on US, that this imbalance is creating a huge strategic risk between 2 nuclear super power, and causes both sides troubles when they need to collaborate.
That's why it's important to unshackle the US mass from the perception bias on China.
And that's what I want to convey. I.e., stop using grandiose sweeping argument like moral superiority, which is itself so large in scope that the comparison quickly lost any relevance.
> Lets meet as friends in Tiananmen square - you wear a t-shirt saying ‘what happened here in 1989?’
I think the Tankman incident is a silver light in the whole event, i.e., the individual stand against the tank, and the tank decide to go different route; and eventually the confrontation was dissolved by bystanders.
If you emphasize the confrontation, you'll use the t-shirt you mentioned.
For me, I'll wear a t-shirt stating: remember the tragedy.
And what's the point of this to do with altering the perception on China? If you just narrow your viewpoint onto Tankman, that's going to miss so much of other things happening in China.
It's like focusing on Gorge Floyd, and ignoring all the other things happening in US.
What's the point of such narrow view?
> I’ll come dressed as Winnie the Pooh.
If you cut all the implication to Xi, I see no danger whatsoever of wearing that on Tiananmen, or anywhere in China.
Politics in China is different. That's just a cultural thing.
Parents are also more authoritative, that's part of the cultural as well.
Mocking people public is considered an insult. Not just to Xi, to any normal Chinese citizen, that's considered inappropriate.
If you feel that your own culture is so superior that others should automatically accept; and if they don't like it, then you'll call them a lot of bad words, and try to force the narrative, then you are practicing fascism?
> I guess as long as the tank tread on your neck is Chinese - it’s not a problem.
Are you implying mg Chinese identity will be a problem in US then? Are you threatening or are you joking?
> Better to be called a facist in democracy than to live in the authoritarian dictatorship you provide unceasing support to.
I provide uneasy support to China and CCP? No! I uneasily support the mutual understanding between China and US. And for now, the part that lacks understanding is US, and American people continue to allow themselves to be fooled by the mainstream media. While at the same time most of them do not even trust them anyway. It was just that the mental conditioning has been started since early 1900s since the rise of Communism that the distrust on MSM does not translate to critical thinking in the people's mind.
Yes for sure. My support for anything is uneasy. And only on a case by case and rational way.
I see the danger of blindfolded mindset to trigger the hot war between 2 nuclear super power. Then I act accordingly. Is that a support to China? Sure! It's a support to China just like Bill Clinton OKed China's joining to WTO. It's a support like Donald Trump squandered US supremacy and disunited the US allies. That does not make me or bill Clinton or Trump less American.
> I pity the people of China
Me too.
I support Chinese people's development. I am planning a nonprofit for my home province's education. We'll be helping youth coming to US and learn the history and culture in the American, so they have a more independent attitude towards government and power.
Like I said, changes take time, I want to contribute to the cultivation of western values in Chinese youth.
> who don’t have a say in their government
No no no...
This current iteration of Chinese government was created after the people overthrow the US backed KMT. They are going to overthrow CCP if CCP starts to behaving poorly. Look at the growing civil dissident during the haydays of rampant capitalism when people's lives are put on danger for the profits of the few.
> and have no choice but to tow the party line
They don't have choices in some basic politicians rules. Like CCP has to be the leader, and China had to be on socialism.
So what. American have to be on a 2 party system, and US has to be on a capitalist system. Is that so different?
> What’s your excuse?
I have no excuse. All I said is rational based on my own observation.
I have no issues embracing US dictatorship when Julian Assange was ruled to extract to US.
I also have no issue of embracing Chinese dictatorship when what?
The point is that nations are complicated. From individual to a national government. If you want to use dictatorship to describe 1.4b people's collective, then you are simply too lazy to think.
