I'd like to remind the HN community, some of whom are rather quick to defend the corporate matrix, that fossil fuel companies saw this coming in the 70s and covered it up.
And they had broad, deep-pocketed support.
Government subsidized them, and protected them after their oil spills.
Media ran Exxon and Chevron's greenwashing ads,
Police beat up protesters, going so far as to infiltrate their groups, seduce their leaders, and have entire fake marriages with them all to keep tabs on them.
Judges sent those protesters to jail - Steven Donziger ought to be a household name, for a recent example.
The military invaded countries illegally for them.
And not a single comment here so far as I can tell is putting any of them on the hook for this ongoing atrocity.
Disclaimer: I have not read all of these specific sources; they are the result of quick searches. There are many other sources to choose from - if you have a nit to pick, I suggest DuckDuckGo.
The oceans are growing acidic, countless species are being lost forever. We could literally all die because of this.
Blaming me for my commercial air travel while Chevron can imprison a lawyer for fighting against them is beyond fallacy, and well past what I can describe in polite terms.
Do you have family in the oil biz or something? Why would you do this?
Just because Chevron did something wrong doesn't mean you get off scott-free. Chevron can't fix global warming on their own, it takes everyone, including you.
Actually we CAN go scott free. As per the links, they not only knew about climate change but actively tried to subvert activities related to spreading its awareness. If the general public had the same awareness and sense-of-impending-doom that we have now, do you think these companies wouldve been able to withstand that kind of growing public opposition from all walks of society? Pretty sure they would be forced to course correct.
And if Chevron (& Exxon, et al) didn’t spend 50 years lobbying, burying evidence, and smearing people who pointed out what they were doing, we wouldn’t be in this situation. I take ownership of my role, and I’ve made substantial lifestyle choices to ameliorate my impac, but don’t act like Chevron is some innocent actor born along by the cruel currents of an uncaring market - they have spent substantial energy and resources making this problem worse in ways not core to their business, and they have done so intentionally and knowingly. They bear more blame than any individual does, both collectively and proportionally.
Out of curiosity, how do you suggest that be done? Should I live in a mud hut and eat bugs? Forego interaction with society in a cave somewhere?
If you think I should protest, I do. And, I've pointed out exactly how protestors are dealt with: minimized, attacked, infiltrated, smeared, ignored, and so on.
Every year, hundreds of environmental protectors are murdered. So what exactly is your suggested course of action here?
And they had broad, deep-pocketed support.
Government subsidized them, and protected them after their oil spills.
Media ran Exxon and Chevron's greenwashing ads,
Police beat up protesters, going so far as to infiltrate their groups, seduce their leaders, and have entire fake marriages with them all to keep tabs on them.
Judges sent those protesters to jail - Steven Donziger ought to be a household name, for a recent example.
The military invaded countries illegally for them.
And not a single comment here so far as I can tell is putting any of them on the hook for this ongoing atrocity.