> Giving up everything trying to avoid a nuclear war is the surest way to get it.

Nobody is giving up everything, what is given up at the moment is a strip of land in East Europe that could be claimed back via diplomatic arrangements as soon as Putin is gone.

The west has been giving up stuff since Putin gained power. Nothing has been claimed back yet. And he won’t be gone any time soon. He has plenty of targets after Ukraine too, for example Moldova which already has a separatist Russian mole region inside.

We are watching Hitler raising, not Stalin dying here.

What has been given to Russia is land and people. Economically, Russia has been contracting and losing its grip on the sectors it controlled.

I don't hope for war over Ukraine. I hope for the end of oil purchases from Europe. Total economic sanctions.

Don't you feel you are a bit hyperbolic?

I’d ask my friend in Kiev if he feels I am being hyperbolic but for some reason he’s not answering his messages right now.

The last sentence is an oxymoron. How would there be peace if you go to war?

It is a old Roman adage "Si vis pacem, para bellum" which held true for centuries

I didn’t say "go to war", I said "be willing to go to war". That makes the whole difference.

That's some Peacemaker stuff there. "I love peace, and I'd kill any amount of men, women and children to get it."

Current war for future peace.

I don't think so. Middle east war, Afghan war never brought any peace. Instead it backfired. So, I really don't like such platitudes.

I agree in a way, but I also think that in avoiding conflict, it is possible to see yourself pushed back into a corner to where a bigger conflict becomes necessary.