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I don't defend Russia here, I don't have stakes in this war. Just trying to point that it's not black and white, and history matters. There are many subltleties to discuss.

But yes, if you forget what happened from 1939 to 1943, you can look in horror how evil Soviet Union invades Germany. Or you, an example closer to you, you forget Pearl Harbor and look now USA invades Japan and kill innocent Japanese soldiers and civilians.

> Russia got what it wanted. A war.

I don't know if Russia wanted a war. But for the moment, just take a break and take a look who profits and who is a loser of this war.

The biggest loser is the people of Ukraine, followed by the people of Russia. The second-biggest loser is the EU. The winner is clearly the USA and its military and oil industry, followed by the China, which will profit from the trade with both sides.

Now, that we know who benefits from the war, let's think about again who really wanted the war.



> I don't defend Russia here,

Yes, that is exactly what you are doing.

> Just trying to point that it's not black and white,

Exactly. That's called relativism or whataboutism, and is a typical tactic in the defence of evil.

> There are many subltleties to discuss.

Only if one is trying to defend evil by focusing on irrelevant "subtleties" so as to distract from the actual issue.

> But yes, if you forget what happened from 1939

You mean when the Soviet Union unprovokedly invaded Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland?

> to 1943, you can look in horror how evil Soviet Union invades Germany.

Just because the Nazis were even better than Russia at being evil doesn't make Russia good.




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