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> socialized health care, workers rights, mandated vacation time, overtime limits, minimum wages, and UBI are all lightyears away.

do you mean software developers? I don't see why developers need all those. Developers are one of the highest paid people on the whole planet, like top 10% in USA. Most people not in the know think levels.fyi must be fake.

This seems like ridiculous entitlement to expect even more. Why can't they spend their own money to buy the things they are lacking.



I'm sure a lot of enjoy cushy, well-paid, low-stress jobs (myself included) but its not all of us.

Game development is one area that could benefit from these. People in that industry suffer from a lot of stress and high rates of burnout due to overwork. edit: they're also paid significantly less than people working in web-dev.


Developer job market is insane now. Why can't they just switch to one of the cushy jobs at an insurance company or something?


You wouldn't ask a teacher or nurse to change careers because their employer or government is treating them poorly.

You'd tell the employer to stop treating people like garbage.

I know this is mostly about developers but not everyone is able to just make a job change like you're suggesting. We should be giving people the things they need to be happy and successful in their current jobs.


> You wouldn't ask a teacher or nurse to change careers because their employer or government is treating them poorly.

yes i am only talking about software developers.

> not everyone is able to just make a job change like you're suggesting.

why though? Those cushy jobs are dime a dozen everywhere. I don't see why someone is forced to work for a gaming company at low pay.


It's an employer change, not a career change. And you should definitely leave a bad employer if you are a teacher or a nurse.


Software engineers can buy worker rights, overtime limits, etc? That's news to me. Also, goes without saying, not every engineer is making FAANG-level salaries.


what overtime limits? Its a myth that software developers in usa are working overtime. I've been a developer for last 15 yrs and must have worked overtime < 20 days.

Do you really think developers at banks and insurance companies are working overtime? If they really have problem with overtime at current job they can switch to one of these under the radar jobs at banks.

And yes you can "buy" overtime limits by hiring a nanny, getting catered dinners, hiring a tutor for your kids, hiring a personal trainer ect.


A huge number of teams and companies have 24/7 oncall rotations. While it is still possible to say "I'll never work on a team that has continuous oncall" it is becoming harder and harder.


> A huge number of teams and companies have 24/7 oncall rotations.

Ah yes. Thats true. Not sure how govt regulations can solve this though. Someone has to be on call.


Businesses can hire more people. They can hire in different time zones. They can simply not have oncall and accept downtime.


It's the same with railroad engineers. Their average salary is just near $100k.




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