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Metallurgy for Electrical/Electronics Engineers
15 points by CptAhab on Sept 16, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 7 comments
Hello,

I've been a hardware engineer for several years and I've never been able to find a source of truth/guide into metallurgical considerations for wire harness connection systems or PCBAs. There are several best practices that I learned from old timers, e.g. gold plated contacts for communication signals less than 5VDC, no gold on signals greater than 100V, use nickel or stainless when dealing with salt exposure, look at the galvanic series and stay within 4 when mixing metals within a humid environment, etc; but aside from a 3-pg section of "Electromagnetic Compatibility Engineering" by Henry Ott where he discusses galvanic noise, I have been unable to find a proper textbook or even certificate on this topic.

This is maddening, because I make million dollar decisions based on metallurgical considerations everyday which directly affect the reliability/expected lifetime of the products my employer manufactures.

Would you have any recommendations for material, coursework, or industry groups which directly deal with metallurgical considerations for electrical/electronic assemblies (wire harnesses, PCBAs, even motors and fans)?

Thanks, CptAhab



Electric Contacts - Theory and Application, 4th ed - Holm (Springer-Verlag, 1967).pdf

Electric Relays - Principles and Applications - Gurevich (CRC, 2006).pdf

Electrical Contacts - Fundamentals, Applications and Technology - Braunovic, et al (CRC, 2006).pdf

Electrical Contacts - Principles and Applications, 2nd ed - Slade (CRC, 2013).pdf

Engineering Reference - Relays (Fujitsu, 2009).pdf

Modern Relay, The (SDS Relais) - Eichmeier (Verlag Moderne Industrie, 1988) [2up scan].pdf


https://www.omron.com.au/service_support/technical_guide/gen...

https://standards.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/standards/NAS... - WORKMANSHIP STANDARD FOR CRIMPING,INTERCONNECTING CABLES, HARNESSES, AND WIRING

hard to know how to help without more detail regarding specific application

the Omron document and some of it's links have lots of pragmatic actual in service information for contacts, some hard to find otherwise, eg section "Load Conditions and Contacts" and flashover voltages

if you are specifying/making wiring harnesses then metallurgical considerations are only a small part of overall reliability, see NASA document as just one example of a lot of such info from them


It's not with me, but I have a very fat book about relays.

One of the big points very often missed is that, depending on contact material, relays can have a minimum current rating, which can get you in trouble when using a contact to switch a PLC input for example. This to ensure the tarnish gets wiped.

You can get around this by using gold flashing, but this is also extremely easy to burn off with unexpected over-current, eg capacitive or inductive switching, which can result from just a cable run.

There are also recommendations for things like contacts that are open but wetted with DC for long periods of time, like some protection circuits, eg contact material and which face should be more negative/positive.

The optimum DC control voltage is 48VDC, but it is not the most practical due to availability.

Look around at metal specific industry groups that often publish highly specific useful material, eg Copper Development Association and same for Silver, MIL specs.

I have found you pick up bits and pieces over the years and you just have to build up your personal library over time.

Final one, not metallurgy but depending on your industry might save you one day, dangers of AC control voltages with distance.

https://www.newark.com/wcsstore/ExtendedSitesCatalogAssetSto...

I got a bunch more, if you have a specific problem then DM me.


Hi,

Thanks, I will re-format any future questions I have.

buescher I should pick up a materials science textbook and maybe some inorganic chemistry books too. I've found that the FAEs for our suppliers are pretty slow and we'd have to shut our factories down due to lack of parts if we waited for them, although I do still interact with them. Obviously, that's supplier specific.

a_finkelstein you are my hero!!!

I'm working on a high stakes project right now (which is part of what prompted this thread), so in my scramble I found this white paper: https://www.ramoem.com/uploads/4/4/0/7/44075859/tin_commandm...

And I bought the journal articles it references to get a good enough understanding to design an experiment around the specific application. There's apparently a whole conference for this stuff: https://ieee-holm.org/

Can't say I'll ever go, but good to know where the repository of truth resides.

Thanks, Patrick Taliaferro


Start with Coombs' Printed Circuit Handbook and the IPC standards. Also call your connector suppliers and talk to their FAEs. Also if you're using a large board fabricator they may have FAEs. The rules-of-thumb you've picked up sound awfully industry-specific.

If you're thinking about this stuff, you'd probably find a good undergraduate materials science textbook fascinating.


You can check automotive standards.

NASA has a good page regarding whiskers. https://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/

What also matters is electrochemical migration. I don't have a reference handy.


Can you add 'Ask HN: ', and maybe a questionmark, to the title? That will get more exposure on the https://news.ycombinator.com/ask page.




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