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It's not an abomination to eat natural food. Any carnivore/omnivore would eat a cow if it could.

The fact that you perceive something natural as an abomination is a symptom of a society that's too successful and needs to invent problems where there are none.



> It's not an abomination to eat natural food. Any carnivore/omnivore would eat a cow if it could.

If the cow could speak, I believe their opinion would be otherwise.

Humans don't generally appreciate it when lions, tigers, and bears beat them to the top of the food chain.

Perfectly natural, that hypocrisy; as natural as your face being eaten by leopards.

> The fact that you perceive something natural as an abomination is a symptom of a society that's too successful and needs to invent problems where there are none.

Lots of natural stuff has been "an abomination" to one group or another since writing existed, regardless of how successful the societies have been.

Examples in Leviticus, amongst other ancient texts.

Shellfish are natural.


Most loving things don't want to die, whether it's to be a meal for something else or any other reason. I don't see how that refutes what looks like the natural drive, at least based on how many have been doing it for how long, of predators to eat meat.


> I don't see how that refutes what looks like the natural drive

Because I wasn't even attempting to; rather the point is to demonstrate that natural things can be abominations.

And my first comment on this thread was giving appreciation to an (artificial) "abomination" that meant I didn't need a (specific) natural one.


> If the cow could speak, I believe their opinion would be otherwise.

Except cows... Don't speak? That's kind of the whole point. We can't apply human value judgements to other species that work in a fundamentally different way.

> Humans don't generally appreciate it when lions, tigers, and bears beat them to the top of the food chain.

It's safe to say no carnivore/omnivore denies that animals suffer. And I'd bet most of us are not happy that they do. It's just not a deal breaker, seeing as it's outweighed by many benefits.


> It's just not a deal breaker, seeing as it's outweighed by many benefits.

Obviously so.

You'll note I said "vegetarian" above rather than "vegan", despite the reasons (I could quote PETA but I won't bother) that milk itself can be well described as an abomination.

Thing is though, as we become better artisans, the comparative benefits of "natural" over artificial are ever reduced.

The ban proposed in the link reminds me of the early years of motorcars, when they were limited to a few miles per hour lest they scare the horses.


The term "abomination" is not useful at all in this conversation. It's 100% up to individual interpretation. To be fair, so is "natural". Many of the traditional things we do to food is hard to frame as natural.


If you force them to define their argument, it doesn't have a foundation. I have yet to find a lab-grown meat that doesn't make me feel a little ill, but it is religiously charged to call it "an abomination." If the core argument is that this individual's interpretation of their specific Magic Book says it's bad, well, I just don't find that a useful discussion.




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