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I don’t get how the DEA is able to cause an ADHD medication shortage by limiting supply and yet at the same time pharma companies are allowed to just manufacture as much fentanyl and other opioids as much as they want.


The illegal fent isn't coming from legit pharma companies.


Well by definition the illegal fentanyl isn’t coming from legal drug companies. But believing it has always been illegal fentanyl seems somewhat ahistorical. It wasn’t that long ago that Purdue Pharma, the Sackler Family, and other pharma companies settled for billions of dollars for their role in the opioid epidemic. It hasn’t always been cartels and China.


It isn't being illegally diverted from legitimate supply, for example. The street fent comes from a wholly criminal supply chain.

The prescription opioid "epidemic" re: Purdue et al was exclusively or virtually exclusively non-fentanyl opioids.


Seems odd to me we just smoothly slid from the prescription opioid crisis to non-prescription, illegal fentanyl. I’m not saying it’s some big conspiracy where pharma is secretly selling to cartels or anything. It just seems like a weird coincidence. E.g. did the crack down on prescription opioids lead to a large backlog of unused precursor chemicals and feedstocks that could end up in the criminal supply chain?


The crackdown on pill mills lead to a huge increase in demand for black market opioids, which was initially met by heroin and later fent. I think criminal fent manufacturing just happened to develop in that time period but market forces can’t be ignored.


The fentanyl is mostly made in Mexico these days[1], I don't think the pharma companies could compete on price...

1: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64047688


More details posted by another user earlier https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-...


Most of the chemicals comes from China and is manufactured in Mexico then comes over the southern border into the US.

https://trone.house.gov/2023/01/08/chinas-role-in-illicit-fe...


Sure it’s coming over the border by Americans. Why isn’t this an issue down in Cameron or Hidalgo counties?


It's controlled by the cartels, the mules who actually bring it over can be anybody; whoever the cartels feel comfortable with.


You are missing the point. Out of all the counties in Texas — why is it that Hays county has the biggest problem. Hays county is just south of Austin, in central texas.

Sure it could be cartels, it could also be snowbirds bringing meds from Mexico to people in the north. You and I don’t have conclusive evidence of either.


>why is it that Hays county has the biggest problem

No idea. I'm certain it won't be limited to that county for long. I assume the cartels are selling it to somebody who is then selling it at the schools or at a local hangout that the students go to.

>You and I don’t have conclusive evidence of either.

Trone said “99 percent of the fentanyl is coming from precursor drugs from China, and then it’s manufactured by two cartels, the Jalisco and Sinaloa Cartels, and they’re the ones that are bringing it across the border,” adding that it’s important to stop it from the source.

This is from the government report I linked up above. That's what I was going on. That seems fairly conclusive evidence if you trust the report.

As an aside, further down the linked article this is stated:

Fentanyl is coming from Mexico, but it is most commonly brought through ports of entry, by U.S. citizens.

They don't cite any evidence, so I'm not sure where they came up with that, but it directly contradicts the government report I linked.


Used to come in straight from China through the mail. It's chemical warfare


I don't like this propensity to blame china for everything.

If your ordered a dangerous substance, and it arrives clearly labeled, they've done their job.

If you are putting it where you shouldn't, it's on you.


Given what the West did to China in the Opium wars, we would do well to teach history better.

They say those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it. Well here we are and it seems the CCP's learned from the past. Have we?



impressive!


What are you talking about blaming China? It's a fact. The CCP was (is) involved with/accepting of producing fentanyl and sending it to the US. Yeah, people wanted it and they got it. I see nothing wrong with that other than the potential for cross contamination or mislabeling if someone messes up on an order.


Please read about the opium wars. You have no idea what kind of force you're encouraging passivity to.


Fentanyl is an opioid, most of which is produce by china which is currently trying to play the opium wars in reverse while most westerners pretend there is no precedent to what is going on.


It’s funny/sad to ask the pro-drug crowd if I can get my prescription medication without going through a doctor. People flip out.

Only took me 2 years to get a prescription for a common but off label use for one medication.


> prescription medication without going through a doctor.

What does it mean?


I think the OP is pointing out his observation that the folks who argue for drug decriminalization are also the ones most likely to be offended by the idea that medicinal drugs, like an antibiotic, be obtainable without a prescription.




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