Because my attention belongs to me. Exclusively. It's not yours. It's not reddit's. It's not Google's. It doesn't belong to anyone other than I, certainly not a corporation. It's not a currency that can be used to pay for services. They do not have the right to sell it off to the highest bidder.
I deserve not to be advertised to for the same reasons women deserve not to be raped: basic human dignity. I don't consent to it. I don't consent to their forcible injection of their silly little brands and taglines into my mind. As far as I'm concerned it's mind rape and anything I do to kill ads is legitimate justified self defense. I couldn't care less how much money they lose either, find another business model or disappear.
Wow wtf. You have some serious issues. First, I agree that your attention belongs to you, and you are 100% in your right to go elsewhere. Reddit is not forcing you to view their ads.
But second, you are unhinged if you think this is a reasonable comment:
> I deserve not to be advertised to for the same reasons women deserve not to be raped
I'm glad you agree. I don't really mind if you think I'm unhinged. I don't mind the downvotes either. The exact same moral issue of consent applies. As a human being, I deserve to be able to consent. It's part of what it means to have dignity. I don't consent to my mind being violated, it's that simple. If that makes me unhinged, so be it.
If you want to discuss the matter further and hopefully understand why I said what I said, I'm happy to do it. Provided you approach the matter seriously without name calling.
Welcome, it's very nice here. You need karma > 500 to downvote, you can't downvote direct replies to your own posts and you can't see how many votes other people's posts have received. It's pretty reasonable in my opinion, downvoting is much more rare on HN in my experience. I think it's best to just ignore things instead of voting.
Oh is it? Your mind isn't part of your body? In civilized society, people can't even touch you without your consent. Why do they have complete freedom to inject disinformation and spam into your mind with complete impunity? I won't accept it.
I don't know about you but I consider my mind even more sacred than my body. It's not some advertiser's playground for them to spam their bullshit with complete impunity. I will resist that abuse. I don't need to "deserve" it. I'm not alone either. It's hard enough to cope with attention deficit without these spammers around.
I can only hope that your level of sanity is more commonly adopted because judging by the replies to you it appears many have just given into the machine. Unwitting servants of Moloch.
I don't have to abstain from using reddit. They're the ones who need to stop sending me free web pages. If they care so much about getting paid, all they need to do is have their web servers return 402 Payment Required and only resume service after payment is confirmed.
Their advertising bullshit though? They're knowingly sending me stuff for free. They chose to do it. I won't be guilted into accepting abuse based on that. They did so hoping I was gonna look at the ads but the truth is I'm under exactly zero obligation to actually do that. So I won't.
You are choosing to use an ad based service. No one is forcing you to view reddit. Your attention belongs to you and you can choose to direct it where you want. You knew reddit included ads, you consented to use reddit which includes ads. Just because you don’t like ads doesn’t make it “mind rape”. If you don’t like penises, but consent to have sex with a cis man, it isn’t rape because he has a penis that you don’t like but knew he had. It isn’t rape because you want to have sex with anyone and everyone and want none of them to have a penis. The answer is not that no one is allowed to have a penis, the answer is for you to stop having sex with people with penises. It isn’t the world’s responsibility to only be populated with people you want to have sex with, it is your responsibility to only consent to have sex with people you actually want to have sex with.
> You are choosing to use an ad based service. No one is forcing you to view reddit. Your attention belongs to you and you can choose to direct it where you want.
True.
> You knew reddit included ads, you consented to use reddit which includes ads.
It's not really an all or nothing, take it or leave it proposition. Just because they sent me ads, doesn't obligate me to view them. I get to view just the parts that I want to view.
We're not some captive passive consumer audience that reddit can jerk around at will. We are in control. We own the machine and we decide what it's going to display. If we decide we don't want to see ads, we're not gonna see ads and that's pretty much the end of it. What reddit wants or needs has pretty much zero bearing on the matter.
If you send me a page with some annoying element and I decide I want to get rid of it, it's within my power. All I have to do is inspect the element and delete it. Alternatively, I can download an annoyance filter extension with a huge database of those annoying elements to do it for me. It's called uBlock Origin.
This is called adversarial interoperability and it's an essential freedom.
If I'm handed a magazine and it has annoying ads on it, I can rip out the pages and throw them in the trash. Same thing.
> Just because you don’t like ads doesn’t make it “mind rape”.
I think it does. I don't consent to having information I didn't ask for forcibly inserted into my mind for someone else's profit. When I opened this post, I wanted to see the comments, not irrelevant brands of products I don't care about. If I wanted to see products I'd have visited Amazon or gone to the market.
It's really simple. If you add noise to your signal, I'll filter it. I don't care if you make money by adding that noise. Find some other way to make money or go bankrupt.
> It isn’t the world’s responsibility
I'm having difficulty understanding what you're saying. I think you mean "it's not reddit's responsibility to cater to your needs". Well it doesn't have to. I'll look after my own needs -- by blocking its ads unconditionally and with no exceptions.
i wish more people would stick up for themselves like this, and i hope you inspire others to do so. i think this spamming into the mind actually contributes to this mindset where the person sticks up for that abuse itself rather than their mind and self. like a stockholm syndrome. thanks mate. keep on truckin'!
Thank you. The reason I go out of my way to post my opinions on this matter is I discovered I wasn't alone over my years here on HN. I've interacted with like-minded people many times here, discussed these matters plenty of times and refined my thoughts. Plenty of what I said in this thread, I learned from talking to others here.
It's really difficult to say these things because people come at you to call you entitled, unhinged, a freeloader, downvote you. I always say it anyway. I hope it inspires others too. We're not alone.
Because my attention belongs to me. Exclusively. It's not yours. It's not reddit's. It's not Google's. It doesn't belong to anyone other than I, certainly not a corporation. It's not a currency that can be used to pay for services. They do not have the right to sell it off to the highest bidder.
I deserve not to be advertised to for the same reasons women deserve not to be raped: basic human dignity. I don't consent to it. I don't consent to their forcible injection of their silly little brands and taglines into my mind. As far as I'm concerned it's mind rape and anything I do to kill ads is legitimate justified self defense. I couldn't care less how much money they lose either, find another business model or disappear.