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I'd love some background on how this is the first airship in the US since the Hindenburg, and what Google has to do with it.


I think the distinction was that it was a zeppelin, not a blimp. Google does not seem to be involved in its development, you can just pay to take a ride in it.

Relevant article: http://www.airships.net/farmers-blimp

edit: the currently mountain view based blimp's official site, http://www.airshipventures.com/


Zeppelin is just a brand (at this point, anyway). While the Zeppelin NT isn't a blimp, it's not a rigid airship either, but rather a hybrid of the two with an internal frame. Better than a blimp at high speeds and in bad weather, but I doubt the design would scale to the size of the 1930s behemoths.


Well the maker of the Zeppelin NT is the original Eckener entity that created the Zeppelins, so to the extent that a "Zeppelin" is an airship built by Luftschiffbau Zeppelin GmbH, the Zeppelin NT is a real Zeppelin.

But I think it's not accurate to think of the Zeppelin NT as a blimp with some rigid parts. The original Zeppelins had non-rigid fabric gas chambers as well, hung from a duralumin frame which also supported the airfoils and helped the fuselage maintain shape.

The gas chambers of a Zeppelin NT support their own shape through positive pressure, as in a blimp. But they don't have to also support the airfoils, etc. For that, the vessel has a rigid composite structure.

So I think it's more accurate to describe the Zeppelin NT as "a rigid airship with self-supporting gas chambers." And I see no reason why the design could not be scaled up to Graf Zeppelin or Hindenburg size if economics permitted it.


>Well the maker of the Zeppelin NT is the original Eckener entity that created the Zeppelins, so to the extent that a "Zeppelin" is an airship built by Luftschiffbau Zeppelin GmbH, the Zeppelin NT is a real Zeppelin.

Well, yes. He said "this is a Zeppelin, not a blimp", which is a lot like saying "this is a Chevy, not a butterfly". A blimp built by Zeppelin would still be a Zeppelin, and Zeppelin builds all sorts of things that aren't related to airships.

The reason I don't think it will scale well is, like a blimp, pressurization of the gas bag is what keeps a hybrid in the proper shape. This means as the size of the airship increases the envelop pressure must also increase to deal with greater external forces, making the lifting gas heavier and therefor less efficient.

The US navy fielded blimps larger than the Hindenburg until the early '60s, but they were never able to get more than about half the Hindenburg's lift capability for this reason.

With a hybrid you still get the benefit of placing engine pods more efficiently and you don't have to worry about the nose collapsing if you go too fast. However, if you were going to go through the trouble and expense of building an 800 ft airship there's no reason to sacrifice that much lift.


Google invested in Airship Ventures, the company that flies the airship: http://gawker.com/5069502/


It may have changed since you posted, but right now it says first Zeppelin. He does go on to seemingly conflate the terms though.


Yes and ironically the First NT Ship was built in the UK at Cardington - I rember seeing it and its predecessors from airship industrys flying over bedfordshire.

Quite a shock to see one of the Airship Industry Airships parked at Cranfield when I got to work one morning


That sounds awesome. I've seen this NT flying over my city but never up close.


Yes seeing cool planes was a big bonus working on campus at Cranfield University - One time another company there had a IX Spit that they where rebuilding it was refueled about 50 yards from my office we all went out and watched as it put on a display.




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