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[dupe] ‘Modern cars are a privacy nightmare,’ the worst Mozilla’s seen (theverge.com)
184 points by atlasunshrugged on Sept 6, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 21 comments


See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37404413

If You’ve Got a New Car, It’s a Data Privacy Nightmare (gizmodo.com)

Posted about an hour ago, currently 214 points, 155 comments


@dang can you merge these? Also, both are just repost summaries of this source: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/article...


Cars are like cellphones when it comes to privacy... If you want some privacy, steal an old car and dump your phone


This is a dupe of something already on the front page.


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Let's see how quick EU officials are to enforce and punish their own industry for those practices. GDPR is one thing but they don't even tell their customers what they are collecting and there is often no way to turn it off.


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This is such a cheap shot. The browser is being worked on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history#Firefo...


Why can't the UNIX philosophy be applied to companies too?


The report was not produced by "the company" it was produced by the Foundation. Defending privacy is 100% within the Mozilla Foundation's wheelhouse.


For one, doing only one thing is a huge risk for the company. It's the business equivalent of putting all of the eggs in one basket. If that one thing gets out of balance in any way, the company is dead. So doing multiple things can basically be safer.

Second thing: where do you see the application of the UNIX philosophy being actually useful and popular? It's not even popular in the *nix world - systemd, for one, breaks it in a big way, but is still wildly successful, maybe because it's doing many things, and it's doing them well. Another successful example is ZFS - top of its class, and it's many layers integrated to one. The power comes from the integration.


The UNIX way is not a holy gospel; it’s a way of thinking that has worked relatively well for software. There’s no reason it should be blindly copied into everything else. Stop using the UNIX way as a hand-wavy solution to complex problems.


This is a report by the Mozilla Foundation. Defending privacy is 100% within their remit as an organization.

It is unlikely that anyone working on Firefox contributed to this.


Defending “privacy” while their entire company depends on money from Google. What a foundation.


As I've written before, I am so tired of HNers criticizing Mozilla for being dependent on Google while, also,

* criticizing Mozilla for having profitable side projects, such as Mozilla VPN or Pocket that diversify their sources of revenue

* criticizing Mozilla for even the most innocuous types of browser monetization, like the ad for the Disney movie about Red Pandas

What exactly do you want them to do?


It's definitely not the same people who work on the browser. And given that not many other people are seemingly interested in analyzing this kind of privacy concerns, well, I personally prefer a few more bugs or missing features in Firefox, and some more public outreach about privacy issues.


I'm using firefox as my main browser and I don't see any major issue. What would you like them to work on?


the android app is mostly usable, but still crashes at least weekly, and every once in a while requires a restart.


That's strange. I've never had it crash for me. How many tabs do you have open?


It doesn't crash because of tabs - worst case scenario it unloads some from memory. I think its something to do with ublock origin.


Try Fennec from F-droid. No crashes in all the years I've used it.


Mozilla currently has around 750 employees that work on Firefox.




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