Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

Cut it.

It is not against China or north korea, but Asian democraties must have their own nukes or the US&|NATO must guarantee we will die with them if they are attacked, namely provide a "nuclear umbrella" via a treaty.

Rockets is only the first step for nuke delivery.



I think it's also acceptable for the country to just be advanced enough that everyone knows they could build nukes very quickly if it came down to it.

Japan has the American nuclear umbrella, but it's also obvious to most people interested in the topic that if faced with an existential threat and if for some reason the US didn't fulfill its treaty obligations, Japan could build its own bombs within a year or two.


Which official treaty does give US nuclear umbrella to Japan and South Korea?


Two individual ones. USA has individual bilateral security agreements with both.

"Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan" or just the US-Japan Security treaty [0]

"Mutual Defense Treaty (United States–South Korea)" [1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_a....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Defense_Treaty_(United_...


Thank you. Unlike some posters here (chatgpt?), I don't understand why my google is not giving me any meaningful results, not even on wikipedia.

I would not be surprised to see a Tawainese elite exodus towards those countries.


I'm not sure of the exact treaty, but every result on Google says that Japan is under the US nuclear umbrella.


Not sure exact treaty for something which should be clear cut?

Really?


Well, since someone else was able to clarify, let's see if you keep up with this approach of asking questions without ever making a meaningful point.


>"if for some reason the US didn't fulfill its treaty obligations, Japan could build its own bombs within a year or two."

If attacked by nukes they will not be able to build shit.


Typically nukes don't start flying out of nowhere. There's a chain of escalations that leads up to their first strike use.


Typically we do not know shit about it. If / when it starts we will.


and of course the attacker would not know that and would give time to japan or south korea for them to acquire nuke tech?

Really?


What? Are you saying that a potential attacker would preemptively nuke Japan before tensions escalate if Japan started developing nukes? Because if so, what ridiculous world do you live in? That'd be like Russia flat out nuking Ukraine last year instead of bothering with an invasion.


What does make you believe all attackers would behave like putin? Do you realize how lucky has been Ukraine in this abomination of war?

I am not sure I am the delusional guy here.


I am uncertain that more nuclear weapons in the hands of more groups will ultimately lead to more safety. While I understand the desire for self defense and MAD, it only takes the dissolving of one nation into a radical group with a truly unhinged leader to then have the power to wipe millions of the face of the earth. Rolling more dice seems like it makes nuclear apocalypse more likely.


You people already tried this in 1994. Ukraine gave up their nukes and got invaded anyway. Good luck convincing any other country to give up their nukes.

If NK has nukes then why can't SK and Japan have some too?


I do not question the effectiveness of deterring with nuclear weapons. It would be great if Ukraine had nuclear weapons... for now. How long till a nation state becomes unstable. How long can any entity remain in control of itself. Hell, I don't trust my own country the US to have these weapons and we have the longest track record of not ending the world. But at some point there will be revolution on every country. My source is all of human history. One radical group getting ahold of these weapons with actual intent to use them is all it takes to change the face of the world.


The USSR had lots of nukes. And then it collapsed. Nobody launched the nukes.


>I am uncertain that more nuclear weapons in the hands of more groups will ultimately lead to more safety.

Try to tell Ukraine this, if they had nukes then a lot of people would be alive. But I understand your point if your country already has nukes or it does not have imperialist/aggressive countries as neighbors.

But to get protected from the insane empire neighbor IMo this days you do not longer need super complex rockets, a ton of small drones with dirty bombs in it wold also do a good job preventing an invasion, you need to first prove the world how effective it is.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: