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That’s actually not true anymore. El Salvador has the most prisoners per capita now.

They also have a lower murder rate than the US. The lowest murder rate in the entire Western Hemisphere, actually. Previously they had the highest murder rate in the world.

Mass incarceration works. It doesn’t work in the US because we didn’t do enough of it.



Download the CSVs of https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/homicide-rate-unodc and https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/prison-population-rate

Plot them on a graph. There is basically no correlation.


Different countries have different base rates of criminality. Japan, for instance, has very few criminals but incarcerates almost all of them. The US has more criminals so the US incarcerates more people, but it probably doesn't incarcerate the same proportion of criminals that Japan does.


Works for who? The corporations profiting from slave prison labor?

If we at least arrested the corrupt white collar criminals that never get punished, then we could look at this as something more than an uninformed extreme measure.

Imagine if wage theft wasn't merely a fine? Imagine if corruption was actually prosecuted? Then we can talk! /s


Your argument is that because in your opinion we don't arrest enough white color criminals that we shouldn't bother with violent criminals? I don't understand how these are related? This isn't a trade or a negotiation.

Locking up violent criminals and their affiliates for extended periods of time works. We give way too many chances to people today.


Never said that. My sarcastic rant was there because locking people up is simply not a good enough solution.

I can guarantee you the vast majority of people in prison can be reformed and reintegrated. But most prison systems don't want that. They work towards punishment/revenge, and as a bonus, give out slave labor for dirty companies.

Suggesting "locking more people up" is a good solution is so bad that it's laughable in my view. It's so short-sighted and simplistic that it's not worth arguing about. Locking more people up translates to locking more poor people up, for the crime of being poor.

I even added a "/s" to make it clear I was being ironic, but clearly that didn't work as I intended.


It works for the people of El Salvador who are no longer being murdered by the gangsters who are all now in prison.


Which is completely irrelevant to the US which is largely not a land under gang control.




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