> Keep in mind that my point was specifically about high stakes elections and you reacted to it without making that limitation.
I was also thinking of high stakes elections when I wrote my response to you, even if I did not explicitly say so.
> I have never seen an election where a vote isn't ticking or checking a ballot box, maybe this is different in Finland?
In Finland you typically scribble down a number. Yes, it's harder to accidentally spoil a ballot if you only need to tick or check a box.
> Having worked with computer vision systems and programmed them I can tell you there is no 100% guarantuee that the result that air-gapped machine showed the voter in the voting both is the same as what is reached later – not even if we assume the exact same machine to be used for the count.
But in this hypothetical example the computer is not used to count the votes, it is used to write on paper. Because a computer can unambiguously draw the number "7" on a piece of paper, and the voter can unambiguously verify that the number is correct.
> Also: That isn't necessarily what I'd call a E-Voting system.
I wouldn't call it such either.
> If we are to look for a good comparison we should compare the best way to do paper based elections to the best way to do it digitally and draw our comparisons from that.
And that is what I did in my thesis. The best way to do in-person paper based elections is (a variant of) Floating Receipts, which is a better system than (a variant of) Civitas, which is the best way to do remote e-voting.
At this point I am very confused what you feel disagree about. We went into the weeds over some minor issue regarding spoiled ballots, and I feel like you are drawing way more conclusions from that than you should.
I was also thinking of high stakes elections when I wrote my response to you, even if I did not explicitly say so.
> I have never seen an election where a vote isn't ticking or checking a ballot box, maybe this is different in Finland?
In Finland you typically scribble down a number. Yes, it's harder to accidentally spoil a ballot if you only need to tick or check a box.
> Having worked with computer vision systems and programmed them I can tell you there is no 100% guarantuee that the result that air-gapped machine showed the voter in the voting both is the same as what is reached later – not even if we assume the exact same machine to be used for the count.
But in this hypothetical example the computer is not used to count the votes, it is used to write on paper. Because a computer can unambiguously draw the number "7" on a piece of paper, and the voter can unambiguously verify that the number is correct.
> Also: That isn't necessarily what I'd call a E-Voting system.
I wouldn't call it such either.
> If we are to look for a good comparison we should compare the best way to do paper based elections to the best way to do it digitally and draw our comparisons from that.
And that is what I did in my thesis. The best way to do in-person paper based elections is (a variant of) Floating Receipts, which is a better system than (a variant of) Civitas, which is the best way to do remote e-voting.
At this point I am very confused what you feel disagree about. We went into the weeds over some minor issue regarding spoiled ballots, and I feel like you are drawing way more conclusions from that than you should.