> Got it, encouraging people to execute gay and trans people is completely fine,
Please stop it. Nobody advocated executing gay and trans people here, and nobody said it is "completely fine". Stop lying, please.
> on the one hand the people saying "LGBT/black/hispanic people are not actually people and don't have the right to exist"
There are no such people, at least not in the numbers worth mentioning, in the US (there are in other countries, but curiously you don't care about that at all, do you?). You are just whipping yourself into a frenzy by imagining something that doesn't exist but it would be nice if they did because that would justify you hurting your political opponents - after all, they are so, so bad!
> So his line is "anything, no matter how wretched, gross, false, or fraudulent, as long as it doesn't attack my political friends".
Again, this is a lie. X prohibits a lot of content that has nothing to do with "attacks" on supposed Musk's "political friends". I just recently personally saw one prominent political article "restricted" on X because it mentioned (in a quote) certain slur word, for example. And I witness a lot of fraud deleted (not 100%, true, but that's impossible). Again, you are being completely false here.
> The idea that a leaked "dossier" about a public figure is somehow "bad" is so fucking bullshit.
Yes, it is bad, in this particular case. It does nothing but hurting people, including people that are not related to any political involvement, and does not contribute in any way to the society. You can not name any cause or any group that would be better off by the fact that these private details are public. How would publishing Vance's SSN be useful? Does it protect "LGBT/black/hispanic people" somehow? No. The only way one could use them is to commit personal attacks on his person and the persons of his relatives. I am hoping you would at least stop before advocating that. Though these days one can't be sure anymore.
> The fact that you think leaking a dossier about a political candidate is "bad" tells me that your opinion is free speech ends once it hurts political figures,
And again, you keep ignoring the fact we're talking about private information, like home addresses, SSNs and so on. You try to present it as if it a purely political dossier of political nature that has some societal value. It might be the case if the leaker bothered to redact out the private information - but they didn't, and they probably didn't because beyond that, this document contains pretty much nothing interesting. It's as boring and mundane as the content of my "old bills" drawer. The only purpose to publish something like this could be to personally hurt a political opponent - no other goal is achieved by it. And the fact that you are consistently refuse to address this issue - the issue of publishing private information, having no significance in public discussion - makes me suggest you are actually ok with it. Your belligerent tone and baseless false accusations confirm it quite nicely. If you want to know what's wrong with the politics today - look at the mirror, it's you and your hate. I hope you find a way to move beyond it one day.
> There are no such people, at least not in the numbers worth mentioning, in the US (there are in other countries, but curiously you don't care about that at all, do you?)
That is literally a campaign point for multiple candidates. Maybe the problem is you're a delusional bigot.
And guess what, I do care about what happens in those countries as well, but this article is about someone in the US and involves a candidate for US political office. I feel the same way about bigots in other countries, and make the same complaints about them, just not in a context where they aren't relevant.
> The only way one could use them is to commit personal attacks on his person and the persons of his relatives.
You mean the dude, and family, with secret service protection? None of which required this magic dossier.
Also, I looked at that dossier, the overwhelming majority of which was details about his variable political positions and personal history - all of which seem super relevant to a political candidate.
But, I understand, there is much more danger in a leak that happens to include information about where he lives and his family - which are not secret - than calling for criminalization of and violence LGBT people.
> If you want to know what's wrong with the politics today - look at the mirror, it's you and your hate
I'm not the person saying "these people don't have the right to exist", you're trying disingenuous "paradox of tolerance" bs. Claiming the problem is "my hate towards people that deny the rights of others to exist" is classic white surpremacist BS.
Again, I hope no one vulnerable ever needs you for anything, because you're the kind of person who would ask a victim if they've considered the harm that speaking up would do to their abuser.
We don't need to continue this thread. We clearly disagree on some fundamental issues, I think that bigotry has no place in a civil society, and you think I'm an evil hater for not lovingly accepting people's choice to decide who has a right to exist.
Please stop it. Nobody advocated executing gay and trans people here, and nobody said it is "completely fine". Stop lying, please.
> on the one hand the people saying "LGBT/black/hispanic people are not actually people and don't have the right to exist"
There are no such people, at least not in the numbers worth mentioning, in the US (there are in other countries, but curiously you don't care about that at all, do you?). You are just whipping yourself into a frenzy by imagining something that doesn't exist but it would be nice if they did because that would justify you hurting your political opponents - after all, they are so, so bad!
> So his line is "anything, no matter how wretched, gross, false, or fraudulent, as long as it doesn't attack my political friends".
Again, this is a lie. X prohibits a lot of content that has nothing to do with "attacks" on supposed Musk's "political friends". I just recently personally saw one prominent political article "restricted" on X because it mentioned (in a quote) certain slur word, for example. And I witness a lot of fraud deleted (not 100%, true, but that's impossible). Again, you are being completely false here.
> The idea that a leaked "dossier" about a public figure is somehow "bad" is so fucking bullshit.
Yes, it is bad, in this particular case. It does nothing but hurting people, including people that are not related to any political involvement, and does not contribute in any way to the society. You can not name any cause or any group that would be better off by the fact that these private details are public. How would publishing Vance's SSN be useful? Does it protect "LGBT/black/hispanic people" somehow? No. The only way one could use them is to commit personal attacks on his person and the persons of his relatives. I am hoping you would at least stop before advocating that. Though these days one can't be sure anymore.
> The fact that you think leaking a dossier about a political candidate is "bad" tells me that your opinion is free speech ends once it hurts political figures,
And again, you keep ignoring the fact we're talking about private information, like home addresses, SSNs and so on. You try to present it as if it a purely political dossier of political nature that has some societal value. It might be the case if the leaker bothered to redact out the private information - but they didn't, and they probably didn't because beyond that, this document contains pretty much nothing interesting. It's as boring and mundane as the content of my "old bills" drawer. The only purpose to publish something like this could be to personally hurt a political opponent - no other goal is achieved by it. And the fact that you are consistently refuse to address this issue - the issue of publishing private information, having no significance in public discussion - makes me suggest you are actually ok with it. Your belligerent tone and baseless false accusations confirm it quite nicely. If you want to know what's wrong with the politics today - look at the mirror, it's you and your hate. I hope you find a way to move beyond it one day.