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Nah, you can't really. Before you question the textbook you have to wonder if it is worth it. Since the successfully indoctrinated believers won't let you get away with it it is not worth it. So much so that they never get to hear other versions of anything.


> Nah, you can't really. Before you question the textbook you have to wonder if it is worth it.

This is some weird goalpost moving - I didn't say it's easy I said it's possible. Contrast with the fact that you fundamentally cannot question religious ideology - it's literally against the rules.


>Contrast with the fact that you fundamentally cannot question religious ideology

Martin Luther was pretty successful in his questioning.

But I guess he did get excommunicated for it, didn't he?

Well, I guess that could easily be described as "not easy".


You're again hitting the nail exactly on the head as to the difference: the Lutheran reformation gave way to Lutheranism, it did not actually reform the Catholic Church (cf the counter reformation). So again you see an instance where questioning foundational ideology from within is not possible.


I have a feeling that it's a lot more difficult to purchase indulgences nowadays than it was during Luther's time.

But luckily, I'm not Catholic, so I have no idea.


Arguably the entire hack created by protestantism was the infinite free indulgences "salvation by faith alone" glitch.


Okay, so you are admitting that Martin Luther had a measurable impact on the practices of the church, right?


You seem to be saying that religions are open to having their dogmas questioned and then growing from that, something that they are famously not open to (kind of the whole idea of a dogma).

Obviously 'Not all religions,' etc. However the Catholic church is notoriously dogmatic. Usually the more you press a dogmatic group to change, the more they dig their heels in about it. It's only when the organization is wounded by a schism or massive loss of membership do they suddenly start getting word from heaven that God has changed his mind.


I asked you a very simple yes or no question, actually.

Your lack of answer to that question speaks a lot.


> But I guess he did get excommunicated for it, didn't he?

This is wildly underselling the consequences of challenging the church: two centuries of unrest and war that would eventually result in millions dead, amounting to a significant fraction of Europe's population.


Right, so contesting the church isn't impossible, but it isn't easy.


If you are part of a community, be it a religion or [say] a sciencentific discipline, you have to do the ritual dance around the campfire. Not because it makes sense but because that is the way we do things around here. That one community will kill you and the other won't talk to you anymore doesn't matter for the result.

There are lots of different bible worshippers but there is only one academia. There might be small differences of opinion they all preach the same "proverbial" creation myth.


What textbook taught in the United States has anything with an ideological stance that isn't at the very least revisionist towards making the US look better?

Most history taught in the states already waters down the historical facts to make us look better.


Depends on how you characterize the War of Northern Aggression I suppose


Also depends on how you characterize the genocide of the natives.




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