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I'm not so sure about that, I bet we'd probably still have Flash, Java Applets, Silverlight and ActiveX controls. The web was a mess before. The recent capture by big platforms is more about taking you out of the web, into their superapps.

edit: On a second thought, as a dev now, I look at React, Angular, all these mega frameworks... and wonder if we're just patching over problems big tech baked into the modern web. First point still stands tho.



Oh, that’s definitely revisionism. The iPhone killed Flash, and ActiveX (outside of South Korea / Silverlight) and applets were already dead at that point.


Yeah, true. I forgot that, even Steve's letter on why they wouldn't put flash on the iPhone.

That was the final blow, yup. But the web was still a clunky mess of plugins, broken standards, and browser-specific hacks.

Google pushed to make the web better. And through Chrome they helped bring WebKit to multiplatform: I still remember I couldn't even get rounded edges or nice typography support across platforms, only in Safari.

It wasn’t until Chrome took off that the rest started paying attention.


The iPhone was undoubtedly the deciding factor, I agree - but interestingly Netflix used to rely on Silverlight for DRM [1] until Google introduced video DRM to Chrome in ~2013 [2]. iPhone netflix users had to use an app.

[1] https://www.engadget.com/2008-10-26-netflix-finally-brings-w... [2] https://netflixtechblog.com/html5-video-at-netflix-721d1f143...


Why was ActiveX dead? Why didn't it succeed when MS launched it at a time IE had 90%+ user share?


Because it required Windows in a time that iPhones were storming the market.

Also the ActiveX security model was pretty horrific.


I mean, I don't disagree with you. I think we needed Google and needed their investment to push forward past Applets, ActiveX, and Flash.

But now, we're stagnating again. So maybe drying up those funds will be part of the cure.


I think Apple also forced the world to move on from Flash. The iPhone didn't have Flash.


All the other plugins were dying on their own (for whatever reason). But Flash was a stubborn virus, to be sure.

Yes, it definitely took the big slap from Apple to kill Flash once and for all.




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