This text reminds me much of tylervigen.com/spurious-correlation.
The data presented is completely insufficient for the claim and based on cherry picked narratives.
Anyone can slice and cut numbers the way they want to prove a point.
The problem is that hiring an American is so expensive even for America. This will not change. People will need to accept to earn much less than they expected or to have the jobs taken elsewhere.
The root cause of the problem is exactly why Chinese clone products and cheaper versions are on the run. They are in inferior quality many times BUT they are way cheaper. American people buy Chinese products because there is not enough money to spend everywhere, so we stretch our definitions of what is acceptable to cover more areas of our lives.
These recent changes only seems to be effective but do effectively nothing to solve any of the problems.
But let's say magically all immigrants disappeared and companies needed to find replacements, what would happen?
- Companies will look to outsource to keep prices at same level
- Companies will use AI for whatever is "good enough"
- Companies will hire much less capable people and boost them with AI
- Companies will hire capable people but pay less because they could have hired someone cheaper
- Companies will be forced to pay more for Americans, mean average salary will increase so as every cost, which is basically inflation.
The expedite use of "urgent/emergency" measurements is unsettling as-if US was under constant attack and panic and needs to defend themselves against evil outside world to a level where congress and laws can be totally ignored.
This need of creating an enemy and the constant threat to solidify a heavy power that goes beyond any limits is in itself a threat. Even more now that a this power is being shared among those who can keep eyes and ears on you and your ears and eyes out of the real problems.
> This text reminds me much of tylervigen.com/spurious-correlation. The data presented is completely insufficient for the claim and based on cherry picked narratives. Anyone can slice and cut numbers the way they want to prove a point.
As I said in another comment, it's a theory that could fit the data but you are encouraged to propose other theories.
> This need of creating an enemy and the constant threat to solidify a heavy power that goes beyond any limits is in itself a threat. Even more now that a this power is being shared among those who can keep eyes and ears on you and your ears and eyes out of the real problems.
This I can fully agree on; and it is indeed the main threat that faces the West in my view. The other issues are distractions. Same now in the UK where immigration is blamed for problems (which I'm not saying there are no problems), but then the government proposes a digital ID as a solution. An extreme skeptic could at this point even argue that it seems like the problem was created on purpose to then "fix" it by draconian measures. I mean at what point do you move from incompetence to malice?
I was wondering if my comment seemed like accusing of being of ill intent. I hope not, if it does I'm sorry about that. I just meant the way it is presented it is a long stretch to conclude B from A.
I am sure it happened, but I think this generalization sounds bad at a moment where people are being put against people for the sake of the show.
I do believe the system might be eventually abused in individual cases but I do not think it is mostly abused. US had taken lots of resource that would be otherwise competition if abroad and also have them generating revenue, taxes and economy flow in their own territory.
It is not like US hasn't benefited of them at all.
US is not depending on immigrants. They are just convenient.
In the UK, the situation is different. The skill is not there, the economy will not support another cost hike.
Do not get me wrong, British people are brilliant. But the brilliant ones are already working. The younger generation is sadly unprepared and unsupported.
I honestly think that if rules changes and immigrants leave UK in such hasty manner it will be as bad as the BREXIT was but the effects will come much sooner.
My company had positions with high grade pay opened in the UK for a year. No single british candidate was close to be approved.
The position was closed in the UK and opened on Asia.
If this immigration laws changes I am dead right most of the foreigner engineers will leave (as intended).
For others it will mean that our office will be closed. There are zero expectations on hiring enough people in the UK on time to replace people.
There is zero reasons for contributing to NI, NHS, etc for 10 years with the risks of never being able to be a citizen.
I can easily see myself in the same 'boat', pun intended. Renting in UK is absurd. Expensive, no guarantees, abusive landlords everywhere. You cannot invest your money to protect against inflation, you cannot buy a car, you cannot buy a house. You life is stagnant for 10 years with the fear of needing to leave the country in 7 weeks if you loose your job.
People do not realise that the government will be forced to cut benefits from people to make them back to work to replace the missing workforce. Even if companies pay more for native workers, things will need to get more expensive.
I see that people thinks there are millions of people in the country hence they could claim back millions of jobs by simply kicking out people. But that will not happen.
Same thing with the empty promises of the Brexit. Not a single penny was saved for the NHS. If anything, just caused everything else to be more expensive or unaccessible.
Which is not a surprise as the both ideas comes from exactly the same couple of guys.
I have visited a hospital in the UK recenlyy and I would be scared if suddenly all the base workforce, which are currently immigrants, are gone.
People underestimate the importance of base care workers in the maintainability of a hospital.
I cannot see Tesco, Asda or anything there paying double for the cashier or the store manager but only them installing cameras everywhere with their automatic checkout tills.
I am not sure why people are so easily falling for this fallacy of immigration is the problem when it is actually the incapability of creating jobs and the lack of qualified professionals.
Even if it momentaneously fixed the situation, which it will not, it would not solve any of the underlying problems.
All that has being done was to go after critics, skip the laws distract people with hate speech to point them to the wrong direction.
>>People will need to accept to earn much less than they expected
Or, perhaps, the executives and shareholders who have been primarily engineering how to take an ever-growing share of the pie to the degree they can accept to earn much less than expected
With CEO pay ratios growing from 25:1 to 400:1 in the past 60 years [0], that level of extraction is not producing any useful increase in output or value; it is simply one group skimming off the others.
All the big billionaires and trillionaries CEOs were sitting with the president in his first day.
There is zero chance they will have their slice of their pie smaller.
In the history of the world, there wasn't a single powerful person who accepted to share with commoners. There is not a single reason to believe it will change now.
In fact, of you read the so called big bogus bill with criticism you will see that the only group of people that are unaffected by it are they.
Masses are weak and dumb. It is the law of averages. If split apart because of minor factors such as a race, genre and etc, the forces cancels out and no one works together. Can you think in a modern type of media that exactly does that?
It takes to much effort to get people out of inertia. Powerful people, au contrarie, work together. They same places, same parties, have same connections, their kids go to the same schools. They might compete, but they defend the same gray areas in politics, law and etc.
Gray areas are there because that's what put apart rich people from poor people. "How expensive is your lawyer" defines how much you can abuse the system.
Exactly right on every point. And they won't willingly change.
And absolutely, the metaphor is absolutely right where the table is set with one brown person with one cookie, a white person with two cookies, and the oligarch with a pile of hundreds of cookies, and the oligarch is telling the white guy to watch out because the brown guy will steal his cookies. And the stupid white guy believes it.
That said, when even a small portion of the people actually unite and demand change, things change. We have the USA itself (as opposed to British colonies), India, Pakistan, No French kings, etc., no slavery, women's voting, 40-hour work week, minimum wage, social security, lunch breaks, and more all because people united sufficiently to force change.
There is the 3.5% rule [0], validated scientifically [1], showing it takes only 3.5% of a population to force serious change in a society.
There are also situations where a rich person with power wakes up and does good things. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was one such person, tagged "a traitor to his class", but he implemented huge changes in favor of ordinary people.
If you are pointing out the obstacles, we agree. If you are saying it is impossible because the rich tend to stick together, that is counter to history, and if the US people fail to respond to the latest assault from the oligarchs, they'll go down in history as the greatest losers ever.
On top of all that, it is seems so easy to avoid taxation by having off-shores and buying assets and stocks and whatever to just make the money "disappear".
Top richest guys in the world are basically not paying taxes at all.
If productivity was a problem, why accept paying less for a less capable worker?
Same thing as for counterfeiting/cheap china products. They are good enough for the price.
Increasing productivity does mean doing more, but doing more with less.
Sadly American people already accepts being exploited by having no rights, no benefits and no work life balance (in many cases).
The only thing that can get worse is to get less money.
But to be honest, I don't think people will get less money. This is politically hard to explain. Things will get more expensive.
The problem is that hiring an American is so expensive even for America. This will not change. People will need to accept to earn much less than they expected or to have the jobs taken elsewhere.
The root cause of the problem is exactly why Chinese clone products and cheaper versions are on the run. They are in inferior quality many times BUT they are way cheaper. American people buy Chinese products because there is not enough money to spend everywhere, so we stretch our definitions of what is acceptable to cover more areas of our lives.
These recent changes only seems to be effective but do effectively nothing to solve any of the problems. But let's say magically all immigrants disappeared and companies needed to find replacements, what would happen?
- Companies will look to outsource to keep prices at same level - Companies will use AI for whatever is "good enough" - Companies will hire much less capable people and boost them with AI - Companies will hire capable people but pay less because they could have hired someone cheaper - Companies will be forced to pay more for Americans, mean average salary will increase so as every cost, which is basically inflation.
The expedite use of "urgent/emergency" measurements is unsettling as-if US was under constant attack and panic and needs to defend themselves against evil outside world to a level where congress and laws can be totally ignored.
This need of creating an enemy and the constant threat to solidify a heavy power that goes beyond any limits is in itself a threat. Even more now that a this power is being shared among those who can keep eyes and ears on you and your ears and eyes out of the real problems.