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But the idea that someone was making a video that had some potential sexual gratification element made me feel fairly icked out.

Clearly the author has never visited 4chan... but I think seeing others make such content with your appearance should be taken as flattery.

More seriously, I hope this flood of easy video generation will cause people to more easily realise how they can be persuaded, and increase skepticism of evidence in general.



I think seeing others make such content with your appearance should be taken as flattery.

Post body or gtfo

(for those lacking context, this is a callback to a 4chan trope that is inextricable from OP's argument)


> but I think seeing others make such content with your appearance should be taken as flattery.

I think maybe you're an adult male.

Having actually talked to some female friends about this, I'm pretty sure that women in general don't take so well to the idea of tools that might be used to encourage the fantasies of the men that already have a dangerous interest in harming them sexually.

Whether the Valley thinks that's their problem to solve, I doubt. But making a joke out of it is pretty fucked up, dude.

ETA: even women who have done some modelling and are a bit more aware of the way those images are used are at least somewhat concerned about content that can make them act and speak like puppets. This is at least as much about consent as it is about content.

ETA2: I am rate-limited for being an argumentative sod in the past so I will finally edit this to note that 1) I am replying only to the sentence I quoted which has very troubling connotations, and 2) I really think a lot of people here seem not to have read Julian Dibbell's crucial 1993 article "A Rape In Cyberspace" and it really shows.


The OP never at any point suggested "harming them sexually". Her objection was to people making fetish content of her (or other real people) without their consent, which is entirely a reasonable objection. Let us not misrepresent her.

(As commented elsewhere, the author expressly opted-in, apparently with the intent of generating ragebait to write an article about.)


I know some female friends who wouldn't care. Because they actually understand the difference between fantasy and reality.


> tools that might be used to encourage the fantasies of the men that already have a dangerous interest in harming them sexually.

This assumption sounds like being taken from some feminist manifesto.


OP did use the word “might”. Not saying every man has that dangerous interest but are there men out there with sexually dangerous intent? Without a doubt.


More to the point, there are men out there with unhealthy interests that haven't and might not accelerate to something worse.

Much like when that AI executive dude started talking about layers of hidden reality or whatever it was, that some LLM helped him "find": people were clear that whatever his problems, he might not have blurted that shit out loud, or even developed those thoughts as much, if it were not for the reassurance loop of whatever tool was helping him go a bit more mad.

We understand what happened in his case, right? Perhaps he was keeping that under control and then wasn't, because it was all so plausible.

Now imagine it being video of some young woman realistically depicted doing things she has not consented to do, in the hands of a man who is obsessed and is just keeping that under control. An obsessive fan, for example.


You can just as easily imagine that going the other way?

I get your point, but I’ve never seen any research into whether this material makes people more or less likely to actually perpetrate crimes related to it.

A chat loop is a bit different from a static video/photo.


Sure, but by that reasoning there’s women out there with sexually dangerous intent too.


Not at a first approximation.


One in five women in the US experience rape or attempted rape during their lifetime, overwhelmingly by someone they alreay know at the time (https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics).


And the majority have experienced some stalking in real life.


It's a totally reasonable, evidence-backed, dare I say it plainly obvious, non-feminist assumption that it might be used that way, and you know it.




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