> Why would anyone pick the flexible/potentially-insecure option?
Because having a connection that's encrypted between a user and Cloudflare, then unencrypted between Cloudflare and your server is often better than unencrypted all the way. Sketchy ISPs could insert/replace ads, and anyone hosting a free wifi hotspot could learn things your users wouldn't want them to know (e.g. their address if they order a delivery).
Setting up TLS properly on your server is harder than using Cloudflare (disclaimer: I have not used Cloudflare, though I have sorted out a certificate for an https server).
The problem is that users can't tell if their connection is encrypted all the way to your server. Visiting an https url might lead someone to assume that no-one can eavesdrop on their connection by tapping a cross-ocean cable (TLS can deliver this property). Cloudflare breaks that assumption.
Cloudflare's marketing on this is deceptive: https://www.cloudflare.com/application-services/products/ssl... says "TLS ensures data passing between users and servers is encrypted". This is true, but the servers it's talking about are Cloudflare's, not the website owner's.
Going through to "compare plans", the description of "Universal SSL Certificate" says "If you do not currently use SSL, Cloudflare can provide you with SSL capabilities — no configuration required." This could mislead users and server operators into thinking that they are more secure than they actually are. You cannot get the full benefits of TLS without a private key on your web server.
Despite this, I would guess that Cloudflare's "encryption remover" improves security compared to a world where Cloudflare did not offer this. I might feel differently about this if I knew more about people who interact with traffic between Cloudflare's servers and the servers of Cloudflare's customers.
Let's encrypt and ACME hasn't always been available. Lots of companies also use appliances for the reverse proxy/Ingress.
If they don't support ACME, it's actually quite the chore to do - at least it was the last time I had to before acme was a thing (which is admittedly over 10 yrs ago)
To be fair, Cloudflare is also the reason why most sites even have TLS at all, because it offered free certs (through letsencrypt I think?) in a fairly easy to set up way.
Certs used to be expensive, and had way more operational overhead and quirks (even setting up ACME/LE)
Let's Encrypt is unusable for me because they want you to install that certbot thing. I don't know what that is or what it does. I don't want some magical auto update thing. Is it so hard to just make a generate button that gives you cert.pem and pkey.pem? Cloudflare managed to do it.
Right, DoctorOW correct me; I have limited memory about the state of affairs from a decade ago. They offered free certs for a long time regardless of LE integration
Cloudflare has native integration with Let's encrypt, which makes using TLS with a CDN much easier than if you had to acquire the ACME cert and deploy it to the CDN yourself.
Granted, most CDNs these days have some form of free certicate system, but that wasn't always the case.
People on this website will just type any wild lie. I kinda love it.
The sky is purple! Charlie Brown had hoes! Cloudflare invented Let's Encrypt! Just say anything you want! We live in a post-truth world- there's no need for anything you say to correspond to any external reality!
I never said Cloudflare was behind Let's Encrypt… Did I? Probably just a misunderstanding.
Someone l pointed out I mixed up my timeline a bit because this was over a decade ago, but it turns out CF offered free certs even earlier than LE :)
So, while i got the details wrong, I still stand behind what I say: most sites on the web even have TLS enabled because CF offers it for free. I'm not talking about the reverse proxy aspect, but from the UA's perspective
I agree, Let’s encrypt and ACME played a massive role. But it’s still far easier having Cloudflare handle TLS encryption for you.
And i say this as someone who uses ACME in certmanager and certbot at home and still prefers the ease with which Cloudflare generates a cert for my domain and terminates TLS for the public side of my cloudflare tunnel.
For my home stuff I just use nginx-proxy-manager and haven't thought about it since I set it up a couple of years ago.
For work, I used to use certbot directly at my old place. Now I am building my new stuff on k8s, and I have the ingress manage my certs for me (likely using certbot or similar behind the scenes). Both have been extremely low setup effort and no ongoing effort.
I don't like giving Cloudflare my (or my companies/customers) data in exchange for being able to click a checkbox.
Are we witch hunting Cloudflare now? What have they done? I think overall CF seems like a pretty decent company? Lol I'm a bit out of the loop it seems.
Also what mis-information (other than the claiming CF integrated with LE, but it turns out CF offered free certs before LE even existed lol) did I spread?
