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There's an exception for "appliances specifically designed to operate primarily in an environment that is regularly subject to splashing water, water streams or water immersion, and that are intended to be washable or rinseable". This ring is described as water-resistant, so I wonder if it would be allowed?




"2. By way of derogation from paragraph 1, the following products incorporating portable batteries may be designed in such a way as to *make the battery removable and replaceable only by independent professionals*:

(a) appliances specifically designed to operate primarily in an environment that is regularly subject to splashing water, water streams or water immersion, and that are intended to be washable or rinseable;"

This still does NOT allow non-replaceable batteries. Also note "independent".


I don't know if it counts as "primarily" operating in those conditions.

From my reading, the conditions seem to apply to the environment it primarily operates in, not the product itself. So the product primarily operates in the environment of the hand, and the hand is definitely "regularly subject to splashing water".

I hate to say it, but none of this matters. This product is going to fail anyway.

It’s a niche within a niche within a niche. It’s designed to do solve a problem that only one person has.

You have to:

- want to make voice memos (how many people do that?)

- find your watch insufficient for that purpose

- find your phone insufficient for that purpose

- be willing to wear a ring on a specific finger (this isn’t practical on most of your fingers because it’s hard to press the button)

- commit to custom sized jewelry


I hate to be the person to break it to you, but you're in the wrong subthread and none of what you wrote matters, the context is specifically about the regulation. There is a bunch of other subthreads where people moan about that this doesn't have any actual market.

I’m fully aware that the context is about the regulation.

But this thread is like pointing out that the cybertruck doesn’t meet EU regulations. It doesn’t matter because the truck is a sales disaster in its most potent market and will probably be discontinued.


Ok, so the discussion isn't interesting to you because you think another thing will make the second thing irrelevant. But obviously discussing the second thing has value, regardless of your personal opinion, so why don't you just stay out of the topic instead of trying to change it to something else?

> so why don't you just stay out of the topic instead of trying to change it to something else?

“Because this thread is currently higher up the page than the threads talking about what they want to talk about, so they'll get less attention” would be my guess.


Damn, you got me. How much money do I owe you in damages?

Now you’ve started the meta-topic of my change in topic. This is illegal because your royal decree said that topics can’t change or evolve at all.

I propose we change the subject to how you’re the king of this website and you alone determine the topic of discussion. Would that be okay with you, Dear Leader?

This issue of replaceable battery is not only irrelevant because the product is going to fail, it’s irrelevant because it clearly complies with EU law. If it doesn’t you have to explain how the Apple Watch is legal in Europe with a battery that Apple themselves don’t replace in their stores, opting instead to users an entirely new watch.


> irrelevant because it clearly complies with EU law

Why is that so clear? Multiple other comments in this submission will point you to the exact parts from coming regulations that it doesn't seem to comply with at all, if I recall correctly it'll start being enforced in 2027. So if Apple wants to continue selling their watches in Europe, they'll have to follow that too, and since they've been aware of it for quite some time already, I'm sure they already have plans and actions in motion for doing just that.

Edit: The "other comments" is literally the root comment of this comment chain..... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46209779


Yeah someone pointed out that the regulations don’t apply to anything that is regularly washed or immersed in water.

Not sure about you but I regularly wash my hands

Not sure about you, but my hands are primarily dry and only occasionally get wet.

Dry-ish, it'll always be somewhat moist from sweat and natural oils and stuff. Which is why most jewelry is low or nonreactive.

Having to take a ring off whenever you wash your hands would be very inconvenient. At least in the spirit of the law this should qualify

I mean, that's what I do with my ring...

What about an iPhone. Can you change the battery without specialized tools?

From 2027 onwards the answer will need to be yes, as a result of these standards.

And this time the whole world can thank the EU, Apple is definitely not going to create a special iPhone hardware just for us.

Or curse the EU, if the compromises necessary to make the battery replaceable result in a less robust product.

If you don't care about e-waste and repairability, of course.

If the phone is less waterproof or otherwise breaks more frequently, it could result in more e-waste.

Except they do. Theres country specific variations of the iPhone, with Hong Kong being the special region that got dual sim.

Or Apple will throw a hissy fit¹, stop selling them directly here, but get the sales anyway as people will buy them elsewhere and import to sell on the grey market.

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[1] Though last time they did that, disabling existing features in response to the app stores decision, they backed down PDQ, so maybe that threat would have no weight.




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